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does anyone know if dragon fire straws are available in aust and how much they cost and where they are?. also are their any of his offspring racing here? and finally do you think he will be a good sire for aust breed bitches?
Wayne Garner Australia (Verified User) Posts 6124 Dogs 41 / Races 43 17 Sep 2008 06:25
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hello colin,, geoff collins at world class sire's has frozen for DRAGONFIRE, around the $1,600au mark i think,, his oldest pups in aust would be around 12-14mths old,, i have bought a dragonfire bitch in the usa,, CLICK HERE she is 13mths old and being broken in now,,takes 4mths to break pup in in usa.. hope she can win a few and ill put her in pup to dodgem by design,, and ship her to aust in dec-09 any way love to hear how the aust pups by him seem,, cheers wayne
hello colin,, geoff collins at world class sire's has frozen for DRAGONFIRE, around the $1,600au mark i think,, his oldest pups in aust would be around 12-14mths old,, i have bought a dragonfire bitch in the usa,, CLICK HERE she is 13mths old and being broken in now,,takes 4mths to break pup in in usa.. hope she can win a few and ill put her in pup to dodgem by design,, and ship her to aust in dec-09 any way love to hear how the aust pups by him seem,, cheers wayne
hi wayne thanks for ur info,u must think he will be ok, i would like to here how his pups here are going and their breeding. how does he stack up as a race dog eg.. temperment and traits? cheers colin
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 26 May 2010 13:30
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Can any of our American counterparts give me an idea where this dog rated in your racing scene? I've read things saying he was initially a free service but has sired a couple of handy ones such as Kiowa Myth. What have his pups been like over there and what are they like typically, calm? over the top? quick early?
Any information would be great.
Thanks
Michael Williams Australia (Verified User) Posts 457 Dogs 5 / Races 0 26 May 2010 13:41
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wheres john macallister when you need him doug lol im sure he knows the american racing and breeding scene like the back of his hands
Warren MacDonald Australia (Verified User) Posts 920 Dogs 5 / Races 3 26 May 2010 13:47
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A dragon fire pup raced yesterday somewere here in oz. But I can't remember where!!
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 26 May 2010 14:00
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Miss Millie Mac is one, and Dragon Mai Magic another.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 May 2010 18:13
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Despite the huge success of Kiowa Myth Dragon Fire has not been the huge success everyone hoped for, he was a very fast son of Brett Lee, but maybe because of marketing stratorgies Trent Lee and Super Lee have been more successful as studs here in the States, I am sure Kiowa Myth's success has lead to Dragon Fire being used a bit more but at the moment the jury is out on the latest crop.
Eva Abedi Ireland (Verified User) Posts 284 Dogs 119 / Races 13 26 May 2010 19:51
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I am having a breeding to Dragon Fire and will use it this year CLICK HERE hopefully Kiowa Myth is running a blinder over here in the derby. he also is from the sucessfull hacksaw dameline like natalie
Lianne Cook Australia (Verified User) Posts 13438 Dogs 100 / Races 97 26 May 2010 20:35
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A local friend of mine has a Dragon Fire broken in youngster, I haven't heard any news about it but will be asking her this week how it is going. I remember seeing the pup when it was about 6 months old and it sure looked a nice type, chasing a drag lure up the straight.
Richard Vrckoff Australia (Verified User) Posts 2473 Dogs 1 / Races 0 26 May 2010 21:11
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We have a litter here of Dragon Fire's out of a sister to Que Sera Sera they are about 10 months old now.
Richie
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 26 May 2010 21:22
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I would think he would match up with KST or Flying Penske bitches as that seems to be part of the nick that makes the KST x Flying Penske cross so successful. Combined with Brett Lee sireline seemed to give him a few options. Interesting.
Thanks
Martin Roper USA (Team Member) Posts 1593 Dogs 7212 / Races 10370 26 May 2010 22:00
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I would disagree with Mark on a few points.
I think Trent Lee has been the more successful Brett Lee son because he got a much earlier start, and after his first wave of pups were pretty decent, breeders went back for more. Trent Lee has a number of pretty good dogs, but no real superstars yet. He's got five times the number of pups running as Dragon Fire.
I think that until Dragon Fire gets more pups to the track, it's still too early to say he's the less successful sire. I'm not convinced that Super Lee has been especially successful. He hasn't produced anything comparable to Dragon Fire's best pups from similar numbers.
I'm told breedings are down almost 50% in the US and that only a handfull of dogs are getting the bitches. In that case would it be almost impossible these days to get a young dog started over there?
Martin Roper USA (Team Member) Posts 1593 Dogs 7212 / Races 10370 26 May 2010 22:29
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That's a pretty accurate assessment, Kieran.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 May 2010 23:40
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I think Kieran's observations are very apt in the case of Dragon Fire, will he get enough bitches to really put him on the map, Kiowa Myth is a huge plus, so lets hope he gets the breeding he needs to make his mark.
Super Lee had some nice pups running at the Spring Nationals, but nothing of the class of Kiowa Myth who is without doubt the best performing grandson of Brett Lee here in the States
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 26 May 2010 23:59
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Doug Taylor wrote:
I would think he would match up with KST or Flying Penske bitches as that seems to be part of the nick that makes the KST x Flying Penske cross so successful. Combined with Brett Lee sireline seemed to give him a few options. Interesting.
Thanks
Sorry, was referring to the 'Roosters Spur' x 'Fast N Loose' cross in the nick between KST and Penske, do these brothers cross much in the US similar to our Amerigo Man/Walkabout Sid etc crosses? I see Dragon Fire carries 'Fast N Loose' through his damline and thought it was a good opportunity to use the same successful nick while including Brett Lee for Australian breeders.
Steve O'Brien Australia (Verified User) Posts 183 Dogs 82 / Races 0 27 May 2010 22:55
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Doug Taylor wrote:
Doug Taylor wrote:
I would think he would match up with KST or Flying Penske bitches as that seems to be part of the nick that makes the KST x Flying Penske cross so successful. Combined with Brett Lee sireline seemed to give him a few options. Interesting.
Thanks
Sorry, was referring to the 'Roosters Spur' x 'Fast N Loose' cross in the nick between KST and Penske, do these brothers cross much in the US similar to our Amerigo Man/Walkabout Sid etc crosses?
Roosters Spur & Fast N Loose are actually litter brother/sister. There is a nice nick going,also along this line CLICK HERE & CLICK HERE
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 28 May 2010 00:31
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Oops, sorry, brother and sister of course.
Seems a pretty potent cross?
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 02 Jun 2010 11:58
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Where was this dog in the scheme of things as a racer? Was he considered a strong finisher, quick breaker, what would you say were his best attributes on the track? Is there anywhere to view some of his races for myself?
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
