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Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 22 Mar 2011 00:58
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OK mate, who would have guessed. What would be the total cost in your eyes?
I would have thought that a city class race bitch would be in the vicinity of $10k and the transportation costs were similar. I could be wrong though, it wouldn't be the first time.
Good luck with Avoid Island too mate.
Zac Warat Australia (Verified User) Posts 729 Dogs 2 / Races 32 22 Mar 2011 01:01
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I havent seen Flying Penske mentioned at all..yet he is a prolific producer from his limited opportunities here
Are any straws of him available anymore and how much would they be worth?
Shane Carter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4842 Dogs 15 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 01:03
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A friend was quoted 16 grand total (inseminated) and that was before the Aussie Dollar got to its current heights....
Thanks for your kind words with Avoid Island....I wish everyone the best of luck in the final.....
cheers
Ray Webster Australia (Verified User) Posts 380 Dogs 72 / Races 27 22 Mar 2011 01:04
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Rod Deakin, arguably one of the most renowned and respected greyhound breeders in Australia, subscribed to the theory that the racing greyhound progressively got faster with each generation. In fact, he used to breed with his young bitches as soon as they came on season, let them whelp, and then put them into work. He considered he was moving to the next generation earlier than most breeders and therefore breeding a quicker animal. The number of champions that he bred is testimony to his theory.
Therefore, I wonder if he were active in the breeding industry today, would he use a straw from a sire that was a champion 20 years preious?
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 22 Mar 2011 01:22
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Ray Webster wrote:
Rod Deakin, arguably one of the most renowned and respected greyhound breeders in Australia, subscribed to the theory that the racing greyhound progressively got faster with each generation. In fact, he used to breed with his young bitches as soon as they came on season, let them whelp, and then put them into work. He considered he was moving to the next generation earlier than most breeders and therefore breeding a quicker animal. The number of champions that he bred is testimony to his theory.
Therefore, I wonder if he were active in the breeding industry today, would he use a straw from a sire that was a champion 20 years preious?
Rod had some very good damlines Ray - breeding from young bitches may or may not have helped. But where are his lines today, and who is following that path as an overall breeding strategy?
I have a Hotshot vial and a Bright Ebony vial put away.
The advantage of using sires from years ago is that there is a lot of info about what crosses have worked with them and new line breeding opportunities available. Yes you don't get the latest champ in the pedigree but it is also a question of is the latest champ going to be a good sire, who are they going to produce to, and are they in fact an improvement on previous generations.
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 22 Mar 2011 01:26
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Shane, does that include the bitch, insemination and transport to Aus?
Julie Grindley Australia (Verified User) Posts 679 Dogs 39 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 01:42
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Most people think im crazy,but i have just used Jack Junior on a bitch.I know there is only 1 straw left from this dog.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 22 Mar 2011 01:50
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julie grindley wrote:
Most people think im crazy,but i have just used Jack Junior on a bitch.I know there is only 1 straw left from this dog.
u could do much worse.
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 22 Mar 2011 01:59
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Tom Flanagan wrote:
Ray Webster wrote:
Rod Deakin, arguably one of the most renowned and respected greyhound breeders in Australia, subscribed to the theory that the racing greyhound progressively got faster with each generation. In fact, he used to breed with his young bitches as soon as they came on season, let them whelp, and then put them into work. He considered he was moving to the next generation earlier than most breeders and therefore breeding a quicker animal. The number of champions that he bred is testimony to his theory.
Therefore, I wonder if he were active in the breeding industry today, would he use a straw from a sire that was a champion 20 years preious?
Rod had some very good damlines Ray - breeding from young bitches may or may not have helped. But where are his lines today, and who is following that path as an overall breeding strategy?
I have a Hotshot vial and a Bright Ebony vial put away.
The advantage of using sires from years ago is that there is a lot of info about what crosses have worked with them and new line breeding opportunities available. Yes you don't get the latest champ in the pedigree but it is also a question of is the latest champ going to be a good sire, who are they going to produce to, and are they in fact an improvement on previous generations.
tom have you heard of these dogs.meticulous ,primo uno,tiesto,din's son,nicely done,dance portrait,im in the frame.they and many more are from his lines.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Mar 2011 02:43
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Shane Carter wrote:
so do people think if I got an open class bitch, from a good damline in the USA, used MA or TP or others...and then obviously imported her here in pup, be a worth while exercise??????
your time frame from such an exercise is around 25 days, all most impossible to do, , do you want your pregnant bitch spending 30 days of her pregnancy in quarntine, where is is fed packaged meat from those rolls and two days in the air ,,
when i considered that a little while ago, i decided against it, if she happened to have pups in guarntine you will be up for mega dollars,
mick
Shane Carter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4842 Dogs 15 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 02:49
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Mick
If it wasn't possible and it risked the bitch, then it wouldn't be done....the advice recieved is that it wouldn't be a problem....its a on-going thought at the moment...my friend has done the ground work and we will see, I guess....
Andrew
Yes, it is all inclusive......its the matter of what class of bitch u were looking at .....??
cheers
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Mar 2011 02:59
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Shane Carter wrote:
Mick
If it wasn't possible and it risked the bitch, then it wouldn't be done....the advice recieved is that it wouldn't be a problem....its a on-going thought at the moment...my friend has done the ground work and we will see, I guess....
Andrew
Yes, it is all inclusive......its the matter of what class of bitch u were looking at .....??
cheers
good luck with it shane, but you will find its not as easy as some may think, try getting quartine space to coincide with your bitches season in the US ?
i have done it twice from the UK, and was involved in the dogs that contested the million dollars race in the US in 2006 so i know some of the hurdles involved in live animal imports,
Shane Carter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4842 Dogs 15 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 03:07
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Mick
I'm well of aware of your expertise in this area and I not doubting you one bit...I respect what you, Donna and others have done by importing the best...
I think that you believe I am speaking from someone whom is not informed about possible outcomes?...I/we are....the ground work was started 18 months ago....
In the end, if a syndicate of us don't do it, then so be it...
cheers
Ray Brown Australia (Team Member) Posts 6226 Dogs 8 / Races 5 22 Mar 2011 03:10
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Another underused and very neglected dog was JIMMY NEUTRON, he was beautifully bred and arguably the best dog of his time when he broke his hock. The owner, in his own wisdom, brought him back to racing some 8 months later and he was only a shadow of his former glory days, he managed 1 more win only. I bought 2 straws from Rocky Ridge a few years ago, some may still be available CLICK HERE
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 22 Mar 2011 03:21
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carole brown wrote:
I think that Brian Barnsley may have a couple of Malawi's Prince straws still.
??? or the other dog ???
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 22 Mar 2011 03:23
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The one I would like is Black Shiraz...still 1 or 2 in the U.S.
Shane Carter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4842 Dogs 15 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 03:42
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Ray..
Didn't you sell yours..????? He was one of my Fav's....I remember he winning the Silver Chief??? and giving Most Awesome a start and a beating.......
cheers
Shane Carter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4842 Dogs 15 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 03:43
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Grant
There is also his brother, Big Ginger Boy, available apparently...and I think he did very well of limited opportunities......
cheers
Ray Brown Australia (Team Member) Posts 6226 Dogs 8 / Races 5 22 Mar 2011 03:49
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No Shane, I still have them and I think that Sam may still have a couple. He was a top chaser, speed and stamina in the one parcel.
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 22 Mar 2011 05:26
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james saunders wrote:
Tom Flanagan wrote:
Ray Webster wrote:
Rod Deakin, arguably one of the most renowned and respected greyhound breeders in Australia, subscribed to the theory that the racing greyhound progressively got faster with each generation. In fact, he used to breed with his young bitches as soon as they came on season, let them whelp, and then put them into work. He considered he was moving to the next generation earlier than most breeders and therefore breeding a quicker animal. The number of champions that he bred is testimony to his theory.
Therefore, I wonder if he were active in the breeding industry today, would he use a straw from a sire that was a champion 20 years preious?
Rod had some very good damlines Ray - breeding from young bitches may or may not have helped. But where are his lines today, and who is following that path as an overall breeding strategy?
I have a Hotshot vial and a Bright Ebony vial put away.
The advantage of using sires from years ago is that there is a lot of info about what crosses have worked with them and new line breeding opportunities available. Yes you don't get the latest champ in the pedigree but it is also a question of is the latest champ going to be a good sire, who are they going to produce to, and are they in fact an improvement on previous generations.
tom have you heard of these dogs.meticulous ,primo uno,tiesto,din's son,nicely done,dance portrait,im in the frame.they and many more are from his lines.
Hi James, you are going to have to explain to me the link between the Portrait/Mandalass damline and Rod Deakin because I'm not aware of it. The bitches that Deakin had great success with breeding from early in the 1970s included Wonoka and her daughters including Bolta.
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
