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Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 22 Mar 2011 05:28
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james saunders wrote:
Tom Flanagan wrote:
Ray Webster wrote:
Rod Deakin, arguably one of the most renowned and respected greyhound breeders in Australia, subscribed to the theory that the racing greyhound progressively got faster with each generation. In fact, he used to breed with his young bitches as soon as they came on season, let them whelp, and then put them into work. He considered he was moving to the next generation earlier than most breeders and therefore breeding a quicker animal. The number of champions that he bred is testimony to his theory.
Therefore, I wonder if he were active in the breeding industry today, would he use a straw from a sire that was a champion 20 years preious?
Rod had some very good damlines Ray - breeding from young bitches may or may not have helped. But where are his lines today, and who is following that path as an overall breeding strategy?
I have a Hotshot vial and a Bright Ebony vial put away.
The advantage of using sires from years ago is that there is a lot of info about what crosses have worked with them and new line breeding opportunities available. Yes you don't get the latest champ in the pedigree but it is also a question of is the latest champ going to be a good sire, who are they going to produce to, and are they in fact an improvement on previous generations.
tom have you heard of these dogs.meticulous ,primo uno,tiesto,din's son,nicely done,dance portrait,im in the frame.they and many more are from his lines.
Hi James, you are going to have to explain to me the link between the Portrait/Mandalass damline and Rod Deakin because I'm not aware of it. The bitches that Deakin had great success with breeding from young, in the 1970s included Wonoka and her daughters including Bolta. Hepburn was another of his successful broods..
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 22 Mar 2011 05:31
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i stand to be corrected tom because im not 100% but im led to believe hogan started this portrait line from rod deakin.
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 22 Mar 2011 05:41
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Paul Hogan's two lines came from these bitches .. this was his main one .. CLICK HERE ... and this one, the Portrait line, he got into later on .. CLICK HERE Deakin's main line came from this bitch .. CLICK HERE .. which is the same damline as Head Honcho
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 2424 Dogs 2 / Races 1 22 Mar 2011 06:02
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yeah i think i got my wires crossed.the guy i bought the portrait lined pup off told me his father bought all his dogs from hogan.he went on to say that he outcrossed, than line bred back ala rod deakin thats where i assumed deakin was the main source of the line and inspiration,so sorry tom for correcting you incorrectly.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 22 Mar 2011 06:20
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simon moore wrote:
so there is still token prince in oz yeah?
anybody know?
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 22 Mar 2011 07:19
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Deakin got Wonoka from breeder GH Haysom. Wonoka whelped her first litter for Deakin at the age of 2 years and 9 months. This litter included star stayer Bolta.
Bolta whelped her first litter, by champion stayer Travel Rev, at the age of 23 months. This litter included top stayer Titus. Titus's sister Fibre whelped her first litter at the age of 26 months.
While Deakin may have bred a couple of generations of offspring from young bitches, the idea that Deakin owed his success by "breeding dogs of the future" is more myth than reality. Definitely made for a good story when being interviewed!
The great brood Wonoka and her daughters explain much of his success as a breeder in the 1970s. Despite breeding young from this line, with each generation down from Wonoka the results became less not more.
Hepburn who he got from Vic Azzopardi also produced well for him - Allocate being one example. He also did well with offspring of his stud dog Plunder Road including Association Cup winner Plunderola who he got from breeder Mrs I Haysom.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 08:19
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Shane,
Knowing US breeders I would think it very hard to buy a well performed race bitch if they thought she had potential as a brood, thats one of the reasons many breeders buy Irish bitches as its very differcult to buy either well performed or well bred bitches in the US. to use as broods, there are plenty around that breeders may reject after a couple of litters but young potential broods are differcult to source. Some people have been successful buying bitches at the NGA Brood Stock Auction but it sometimes takes a few generations before the real value of their purchase is realised.
I have always felt that there is an oppurtunity to import potential brood stock rather than stud dogs from both the US and Ireland but its a long term strategy and can in the long run work out pretty expensive, especially if they are imported in whelp.
I have said this before it is very differcult to buy both racing or proven breeding stock in the US, no one wants to sell them.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 22 Mar 2011 08:21
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Tom, have a look at Wonoka's pedigree page. Poor bitch !!! We used to help Max Hammond with her sometimes. Lovely bitch. She didn't deserve to end up like that.
Bryan Freemantle Australia (Verified User) Posts 541 Dogs 97 / Races 48 22 Mar 2011 08:31
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james saunders wrote:
tom have you heard of these dogs.meticulous ,primo uno,tiesto,din's son,nicely done,dance portrait,im in the frame.they and many more are from his lines.
We have a bitch from that line that goes well - had 11 sts 8 win 1 placing
CLICK HERE Did not know that was Deakin's line - we think she will make a nice broody when she finishing racing
I know there are 'Big Sam Banner' straws in NZ as well as 'Brandeen'and 'Brumby Lad' and a few other ones as well (think maybe 'Cyrus The Virus')
Nick Graham Australia (Verified User) Posts 1099 Dogs 3 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 08:33
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would there be any "at the junction" straws still floating around??
now thats as left field as you can go haha
Tom Flanagan Australia (Verified User) Posts 7250 Dogs 974 / Races 1022 22 Mar 2011 08:38
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Bryan Freemantle wrote:
james saunders wrote:
tom have you heard of these dogs.meticulous ,primo uno,tiesto,din's son,nicely done,dance portrait,im in the frame.they and many more are from his lines.
We have a bitch from that line that goes well - had 11 sts 8 win 1 placing
CLICK HERE Did not know that was Deakin's line - we think she will make a nice broody when she finishing racing
If you read the rest of the posts above you'll see it wasn't Deakin's line - but it belonged to Paul Hogan at one stage, who owned the champion brood Fairbairn Lady - dam of Del Bairn (sire of Delbairn Babe) and many others.
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 22 Mar 2011 08:40
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Bryan Freemantle wrote:
james saunders wrote:
tom have you heard of these dogs.meticulous ,primo uno,tiesto,din's son,nicely done,dance portrait,im in the frame.they and many more are from his lines.
We have a bitch from that line that goes well - had 11 sts 8 win 1 placing
CLICK HERE Did not know that was Deakin's line - we think she will make a nice broody when she finishing racing
Read the above Bryan...it isn't...
Bruno Bonaccurso Australia (Verified User) Posts 6 Dogs 6 / Races 3 22 Mar 2011 09:05
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Leefull ( Brett Lee x Grigorieva) straws only a handfull left bloody good line i would have thought.
Zac Warat Australia (Verified User) Posts 729 Dogs 2 / Races 32 22 Mar 2011 09:17
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TOTALLY SERIOUS-------Does anyone know if he is still available?
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 22 Mar 2011 09:21
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Worthy Reward available??
Matt Heilbronn Australia (Verified User) Posts 51 Dogs 10 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 09:21
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TOTALLY SERIOUS he gotbitten by a snake ,no straw left colin bell has the last one and it was there 4 john pay to use
Zac Warat Australia (Verified User) Posts 729 Dogs 2 / Races 32 22 Mar 2011 09:27
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Thanks des....what price do you think it would be worth purely speculative?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 1801 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 09:32
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carole brown wrote:
I think that Brian Barnsley may have a couple of Malawi's Prince straws still.
Think he used them on this litter Carole CLICK HERE .
Peter Cohen Australia (Verified User) Posts 5343 Dogs 6 / Races 0 22 Mar 2011 10:09
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Worthy Reward available??
there is still 2 that i know of :)
Doug Taylor Australia (Verified User) Posts 2189 Dogs 34 / Races 136 22 Mar 2011 10:11
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zac warat wrote:
TOTALLY SERIOUS-------Does anyone know if he is still available?
Geez, he was a super racedog and really punched above his weight as a sire I reckon!
Do you have questions about breeding theories? 
