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Do you have questions regarding the health of your greyhound? Do you need tips what you should feed your dog?
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Glen Rafferty
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16 Jun 2020 17:22


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Does anyone know if theres anybody still capable of fixing them?



Jack Ogilvie
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17 Jun 2020 10:55


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Try the manufacturer.


Glen Rafferty
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17 Jun 2020 21:39


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Why didnt i think of that....



Jack Ogilvie
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19 Jun 2020 09:58


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Or buy the best greyhound laser on the market..
Cheers jack


Christopher O Donova
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19 Jun 2020 21:35


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were can I buy one


Philip Milner
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20 Jun 2020 07:12


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Trimbio will give quote for repair refurb. Very good to deal with.


Philip Milner
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20 Jun 2020 07:14


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What sets this apart from a k laser class 4/ Celtic class 4 or a class 3b like a Thor? What makes it the best on the market?




Glen Rafferty
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20 Jun 2020 10:41


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philip milner wrote:

Trimbio will give quote for repair refurb. Very good to deal with.

Hi Philip. Have you used Trimbio in the past mate?



Philip Milner
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20 Jun 2020 20:25


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Yes Iíve bought from them and colleagues have used them for repairs (he was very honest with last machine and said would be cheaper to buy another) lots of human Chiro and physios use them and animal physios



Jack Ogilvie
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21 Jun 2020 00:04


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Class 4 are dangerous to use for unprofessional people class 3b are better .
Class 4 lasers treat a dog about 5/10 seconds quicker But are dangerous .The class 3B 808nm wave length heal better and they are not dangerous in inexperienced hands.Thats why they 4B are banned in Australia .If you want a great laser visi EXTERNAL LINK Our lasers give you fantastic results,used by Andy & Jodie Lord. Corey Grenfell ,and many other leading trainers throughout the world.
Cheers jack.



Jack Ogilvie
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21 Jun 2020 00:05


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Christopher ,See Greyhound performance products ad on GD,comes up on the opening page all the time.


Glen Rafferty
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philip milner wrote:

Yes Iíve bought from them and colleagues have used them for repairs (he was very honest with last machine and said would be cheaper to buy another) lots of human Chiro and physios use them and animal physios

thanks Philip



Jason Caley
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08 Apr 2021 08:50


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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Class 4 are dangerous to use for unprofessional people class 3b are better .
Class 4 lasers treat a dog about 5/10 seconds quicker But are dangerous .The class 3B 808nm wave length heal better and they are not dangerous in inexperienced hands.Thats why they 4B are banned in Australia .If you want a great laser visi EXTERNAL LINK Our lasers give you fantastic results,used by Andy & Jodie Lord. Corey Grenfell ,and many other leading trainers throughout the world.
Cheers jack.

Reference to any Class 4 laser banned in Australia?

For the rest of you reading wavelength in nm matters heaps moreso than power output mw.. But can't find any reason or reference to higher power lasers in milliwatts (mw), the difference between Classes causing Class 4 to be restricted in Australia.

Fun fact - I know of three vets here in Melbourne with Class 4 lasers. They are certainly not banned in any way shape or form.



Jack Ogilvie
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Not right what you are saying,vetinarians are using some class 4 lasers ,but a class 4 lasers are 500mw or more they are not safe in the hands of a lay person.A class 3 B 500mw cold laser is safer and just as effective using the 808 nm wave length but are just a bit slower .
That is all More than 830 trainers through out the world are using the GPPIFR 3300 laser and never had one issue with issues effecting any greyhound.



Jason Caley
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Not disputing you Jack that Class 4 lasers emit higher power output and can be harmful the same as a Class 3B used excessively can do more harm than good. Disputing with you that they are banned in any way shape or form. Provide a reference from the TGA or elsewhere if you believe they are banned. A "lay person" can't possess a Class 4 laser.. provide proof. No qualifications necessary regardless of strength of beam output.

There is a legitimate use requirement for all lasers but that is to prevent idiots pointing them at aircraft - import restrictions exist on laser emitters in Australia. It has nothing to do with medical science.

GPPIFR 3300 laser = VetLaser 3000 manufactured in Regency Park, SA. You say tom(ay)to, I say tom(ar)to. ;)

Do yourselves a favour and avoid misinformation - can probably buy same unit at lesser cost - EXTERNAL LINK

Laser classes are about power output (depth of soft tissue penetration) - they are neither faster nor slower. It is wavelength (nm), power output (mw) and then constant light or pulsed (frequency pulsed). Duration, intensity and exposure which is why all the settings on medical lasers exist depending on what is being treated and which part of the animal it is being used on.

To your point about faster, well yeah a three head probe covers the area more quickly than a single beam probe. You can save time by the number of active lasers on the head to reduce time to cover an area.

Typically up to Class 3B lasers can be battery operated and portable and that is where their true advantage lies. Especially when it comes to dogs and horses.

It's probably only a matter of time before a portable Class 4 laser comes out using 12V battery as used on home gardening equipment like leaf blowers and lawn mowers. Do you need a Class 4 for a greyhound or is it somehow better?..absolutely not.

Frequency in nm matters more anyway. Pointing a high intensity red laser (600nm) at a dog might make the trainer feel good but does bugger all since it is a glorified laser pointer. That's why the red visible light is normally only used as a pointer on top quality units to give a guide as to where you are treating the animal while the invisible (800nm+ wavelength) is actually doing the therapeutic work.

Normally Jack I wouldnt even bother calling you out on reselling and rebranding products but if you want to dispute facts or mislead the public that they cannot possess a Class 4 laser you are absolutely incorrect.

It is nevertheless one thing to inform the public of risks and an entirely different matter to mislead consumers purely because competing products do exist and are readily available on the open market.

For anyone else interested in all things laser, the higher the power output when placed in maximum setting, the deeper the laser penetrates tissue. In a greyhound, anything Class 3a is perfectly fine. In equine use Class 3b and higher are great. Its the simple fact that there's only so much muscle depth in a greyhound at the best of times. They're not horses or elephants.

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