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I don't think most people believe he won't be successful at stud I think most people think he's a certainty to succed at stud. Darren you made the same statment in the past and yes the sire you mentioned was Bekim and he's been a great dog at stud but not the super star you said he'd be and he's now very very much shunned at stud.
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 19 Apr 2016 20:46
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in this climate a lot off stud dogs will be shunned, price, proven bitches will all come into play whether or not sires will make it
in this climate a lot off stud dogs will be shunned, price, proven bitches will all come into play whether or not sires will make it
Am I missing something or hasn't it always been like that?
Get onto a proven damline and then use sires for diversity to improve your damline by adding elements to it that you don't have.
If Fernando Bale gives you the elements of early speed, chase and hybrid vigor that your damline needs, then he is as good a choice as any
The only issue is that you have to spend more, because he is, who he is, a champion dog.
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 19 Apr 2016 21:40
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
phil hall wrote:
in this climate a lot off stud dogs will be shunned, price, proven bitches will all come into play whether or not sires will make it
Am I missing something or hasn't it always been like that?
Get onto a proven damline and then use sires for diversity to improve your damline by adding elements to it that you don't have.
If Fernando Bale gives you the elements of early speed, chase and hybrid vigor that your damline needs, then he is as good a choice as any
The only issue is that you have to spend more, because he is, who he is, a champion dog.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 20 Apr 2016 01:08
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Johnathon campbell wrote:
I don't think most people believe he won't be successful at stud I think most people think he's a certainty to succed at stud. Darren you made the same statment in the past and yes the sire you mentioned was Bekim and he's been a great dog at stud but not the super star you said he'd be and he's now very very much shunned at stud.
Very true. He may not super star at stud but still thrown loads of top grp dogs. I think with Bekim you either loved him or hated him at stud. Still thrown over 1000 pups I would have thought.
Fernando is Fernando I don't think there's to many dogs you can compare him with. I know some people say freak dogs won't make it at stud.
Time will tell. I think he can be a star at stud and I'm happy to be shot down in 2-3 years time if he fails. I won't be one that sits on the fence.
His price tag may turn alot of people off and those people might be sitting on the fence to see if he throws. I'm my opinion he's worth a crack if you have the right bitch.
Forget about price of his stud fee. Take the gamble..... Hold on tight and hope for nice long ride. Hopefully more ups than downs lol.
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Apr 2016 01:17
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Well my thoughts I think there will be a lot of breeders biting their arms off if FB does not fire for the simple fact of the class of bitch he has had in the last 9 months.What worries me most is the fact that very few sons of Imports are successful or were successful during their stud careers.I think with Fernando Bale even though he was fast and he has all those trophies in the Cabinet he still has to go against the theory of the failure factor of sons of Imports and with the breeders and leading breeders at that I think it is a case at hoping they are right with their selection irrespective of what attribute they think FB could deliver to their pups because a dog was fast or because he won 10 Group Races we must still go back to the status quo which is the failure rate of Sons Of Imports at Stud.FB's oldest pups are now 8 maybe 9 months old so it's not all that far off whether he has the goods to be successful or not but I must say this with the class of Bitch this fella has been used on failure at stud shouldn't be a word mentioned
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Apr 2016 01:28
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Darren what is the right bitch for Fernando, Wheeler may have a few because he has the lines but to most bitches lines he will be a straight outcross or pretty close to it
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 20 Apr 2016 01:52
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John McAlister wrote:
Darren what is the right bitch for Fernando, Wheeler may have a few because he has the lines but to most bitches lines he will be a straight outcross or pretty close to it
Good question I wish I knew I guess we can only go off what the experts say. Pedigree by Design wrote an article on FB.
Breeders seem to using more of an outcross these days so who knows maybe a lot of Aussie bitches.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 20 Apr 2016 05:54
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Why would you spend $4400 on an unproven Wheeler sire when you can use Barcia Bale who is kicking arse for $3300 ???
in this climate a lot off stud dogs will be shunned, price, proven bitches will all come into play whether or not sires will make it
Am I missing something or hasn't it always been like that?
Get onto a proven damline and then use sires for diversity to improve your damline by adding elements to it that you don't have.
If Fernando Bale gives you the elements of early speed, chase and hybrid vigor that your damline needs, then he is as good a choice as any
The only issue is that you have to spend more, because he is, who he is, a champion dog.
True
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 20 Apr 2016 09:38
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Johnathon campbell wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Why would you spend $4400 on an unproven Wheeler sire when you can use Barcia Bale who is kicking arse for $3300 ???
Just my opinion.
Flavours and dreams that's what your paying for Mark Flavours and Dreams.
I would agree with you he is the flavour of the month. As for dreams it's fair to say we all dream no matter what pup or stud dog we buy and use.
In six months time there will be another flavour of the month. But I'm guessing he won't match what FB did on the track. I will go as far as saying we might be waiting a long time for another FB.
As for stud duties time will only tell. Even though his stud fee is $4400 he has still had close to 100 bitches and I'm sure many more to come over the next 12 months.
His Traralgon track record was broken tonight by Jesaulenko who ran 29.84.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 23 Apr 2016 19:27
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KADE JOSKE wrote:
His Traralgon track record was broken tonight by Jesaulenko who ran 29.84.
Maybe they should stand jesaulenko at stud for $5500
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 23 Apr 2016 20:53
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
KADE JOSKE wrote:
His Traralgon track record was broken tonight by Jesaulenko who ran 29.84.
Maybe they should stand jesaulenko at stud for $5500
LOL. Your a funny man.......
Who knows this dog could be the next " Flavours and Dreams "
There will be New flavours n dreams but not many if any will match FB on the track.
Some people choose to moan about his price tag but FB has up wards of 100 litters in a short period of time.
Not a bad effort. I'm sure this boy will be getting a lot more bitches in the future.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 23 Apr 2016 22:18
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Bekim Bale serviced half the brood bitches in Victoria when he started stud duties, how many have gone back for seconds ????
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 23 Apr 2016 23:50
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Mark Staines wrote:
Bekim Bale serviced half the brood bitches in Victoria when he started stud duties, how many have gone back for seconds ????
Setting fire to fifties as they went! Lol
Darren 81 not accounting for any misses and majority of proven producers and group or city class bitches (double edged sword that one) if he throws he will be heralded as the reason but if he doesn't their will be no greater display of failure.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 24 Apr 2016 01:00
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Bekim Bale serviced half the brood bitches in Victoria when he started stud duties, how many have gone back for seconds ????
Setting fire to fifties as they went! Lol
Darren 81 not accounting for any misses and majority of proven producers and group or city class bitches (double edged sword that one) if he throws he will be heralded as the reason but if he doesn't their will be no greater display of failure.
I would agree no excuses for FB he's had plenty of bitches so time will tell.
My thing is we all compare these dogs with each other. On face value there's not to many out there that even come a close second to FB on the track.
I think a lot are turned off by him because of his stud fee. If he was $2200 he would have had 10 times as many bitches if allowed.
Instead people prefer to come on here and slate him. He's possible the best dog we have seen more many many years.
For me I'm happy to use him and if he fails atleast I can say I went to the best race dog most will ever see.
Yes price is probably to high but who are we to decide that. There's 81 breeders that paid his stud fee and many more lining up to use him.
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3160 Dogs 12 / Races 0 24 Apr 2016 01:06
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Mark Staines wrote:
Bekim Bale serviced half the brood bitches in Victoria when he started stud duties, how many have gone back for seconds ????
Mark are we going to compare every new stud dog with Bekim?? Apples and pears......
Most of people's negative comments for FB is based on his stud fee which makes me laugh. He's got plenty of good bitches who could have used any stud dog but picked him.
The same people will jump on his band wagon if he succeeds at stud.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Apr 2016 02:10
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I have nothing negative to say about F.B. I used Bekim as an example based on bitches served, a lot of bitches helps but it does not guarantee success.As i have stated previously why would you pay $4400 for an unproven Wheeler stud when you can have Barcia who is kicking arse for $3300 ???
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