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If Fernando Bale doesn't deserve his current stud fee of $4400, then I don't know who does? In fairness, many people thought it was going to be higher.
I always thought Brett Lee was the best race dog I would get to see, but that changed when Fernando Bale had achieved what he did.
Stud fees are generally set through a dogs deeds on the track (that is fair common sense). In the thoroughbreds, Colts who win the Golden Slipper skyrocket in value as a stud prospect.
I cannot understand anyone who disagrees with this valuation standard for a stud dog. And until proven or unproven at stud, this will always be the yardstick to measure a stud dogs worth.
Fernando Bale has been afforded the best broodies to start his career. He has been inundated with stud duties since his full retirement. This surely tells people that the general greyhound person/breeder respects his achievements on the track & agree with his introductory stud fee. Those who disagree are clearly in the minority.
I hope he becomes the greatest sire we've ever seen. The industry needs another icon. When the time comes I'll be using him, regardless of his stud fee.
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 26 Apr 2016 09:40
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well said, its only people like sean O'Donnell think that , over priced racing, breeding needs a shining star and I agree hope he turns out best of the best.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 26 Apr 2016 09:53
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Andrew Paraskevas wrote:
Andrew Paraskevas wrote:
Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
What stats are you referring to?
Just incase you missed this Sean, what statistics are you referring to?
As I said go through litter by litter on fastrack in relation to barcia! English is not that hard to follow in the written word.
Glen I appreciate your view but I will have to disagree as he is no Brett lee, his track record has already been broken and he never faced the level of competition of champions past example el grand senor who started at $2000
Andrew Paraskevas Australia (Verified User) Posts 984 Dogs 55 / Races 22 26 Apr 2016 09:56
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Andrew Paraskevas wrote:
Andrew Paraskevas wrote:
Sean O'Donnell wrote:
Keven Berrier wrote:
barcia bale
Do the stats and you will see he is far from kicking ass!
What stats are you referring to?
Just incase you missed this Sean, what statistics are you referring to?
As I said go through litter by litter on fastrack in relation to barcia! English is not that hard to follow in the written word.
What methods are you using to interpret the data on Fasttrack?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Sean. I was fortunate enough to see several of Brett Lee's races & Fernando's too. I'll stand by my assertions of who was best.
Brett Lee started at $2750. I remember people spewing about that being a rip off. I also remember why....the top sire of the day which I used in 2000 was Head Honcho at $1850, the other option I looked at was a freshman site called Just the Best for $1100!! Time says Brett Lee was cheap. I think we might say the same about Fernando.
Let's see.
Sean O'Donnell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4262 Dogs 64 / Races 54 26 Apr 2016 10:13
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glenn hatton wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Sean. I was fortunate enough to see several of Brett Lee's races & Fernando's too. I'll stand by my assertions of who was best.
Brett Lee started at $2750. I remember people spewing about that being a rip off. I also remember why....the top sire of the day which I used in 2000 was Head Honcho at $1850, the other option I looked at was a freshman site called Just the Best for $1100!! Time says Brett Lee was cheap. I think we might say the same about Fernando.
Let's see.
$2750 is a huge difference to $5500 and then the drop to $4400, had he been placed at $2750 he would also have twice the amount of bitches as well!
Time will tell Glenn.
I really do hope he throws for the sake of those who have invested in him.
Brett Lee went to stud in 2002. Fernando Bale in 2015.
I wish I could buy my house at 2002 prices.
Geez!
Twice as many bitches!! Lol , I'm sure he's getting good numbers ...are you aware there's limits on how many they can serve?!
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 26 Apr 2016 10:21
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glenn hatton wrote:
Sean
Brett Lee went to stud in 2002. Fernando Bale in 2015.
I wish I could buy my house at 2002 prices.
Geez!
Twice as many bitches!! Lol , I'm sure he's getting good numbers ...are you aware there's limits on how many they can serve?!
odonnell wouldn't be able to work that out
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 26 Apr 2016 19:44
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Is he using up his quota in this environment.. My drawbacks on his stud potential is size and outcross up so close but a lot of the old rules don't seem to count as much anymore..his stud fee is about right I guess but fast dogs come out of good broodbitchrs not sires..
Colin Bermingham Australia (Verified User) Posts 340 Dogs 4 / Races 17 26 Apr 2016 20:10
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I think you hit the nail on the head earlier James in that the one thing the bale sires offer above other sires is the opportunity to tap into the wheeler dam lines in the hope of strengthening your own.You only have to look at the leading dams list to realise his success is based on continuing production of high class bitches in both performance and bloodlines
I believe its all about the brood bitch i dont go by sires as every sire is a champion its all about how good is the brood bitch but that my opinion
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 27 Apr 2016 04:01
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you're pretty close to the mark there Kevin.
but I still stand by the theory a terrible sire can ruin a good broodie in 1 litter but a good broodie can make a terrible sire in 1 pup. and that is where luck comes into breeding.
Prime example is Barcia bale, in my opinion he is a terrible sire overall (I have seen 1 pup of his that I liked and that was just because she was so mental) and a lot of people would agree with me. but 1 good one in Dyna Double One has probably bought Barcia another 200 litters, no one remembers the other 1000.
Fernando Bale will be the same, he has seen so many top shelf broodies that the good pups he has will cancel out the 1000 shockers. I hope im wrong for the sake of every one that has bred with him but looking at past history im afraid im going to be pretty close to the mark.
Michael Bowerman Australia (Verified User) Posts 4615 Dogs 11 / Races 0 27 Apr 2016 04:25
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Sean O'Donnell wrote:
glenn hatton wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Sean. I was fortunate enough to see several of Brett Lee's races & Fernando's too. I'll stand by my assertions of who was best.
Brett Lee started at $2750. I remember people spewing about that being a rip off. I also remember why....the top sire of the day which I used in 2000 was Head Honcho at $1850, the other option I looked at was a freshman site called Just the Best for $1100!! Time says Brett Lee was cheap. I think we might say the same about Fernando.
Let's see.
$2750 is a huge difference to $5500 and then the drop to $4400, had he been placed at $2750 he would also have twice the amount of bitches as well!
Time will tell Glenn.
I really do hope he throws for the sake of those who have invested in him.
how long ago did breetlee race, i with u glen two champions there, 5500 is a fair prise, or 4400. brettlee went to 20,000 if even one fernando first pups win he go straight to 10,000 i bet.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 27 Apr 2016 04:28
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Gee i wonder what Champion sires like Temlee, Waverly Supreme, Benjamin John and Token Prince would have done without all those champion broods that made them such great sires ???
What a load of Crap, champion sires upgrade Bitches that have often been elsewhere and failed.
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 27 Apr 2016 04:32
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Matt James wrote:
you're pretty close to the mark there Kevin.
but I still stand by the theory a terrible sire can ruin a good broodie in 1 litter but a good broodie can make a terrible sire in 1 pup. and that is where luck comes into breeding.
Prime example is Barcia bale, in my opinion he is a terrible sire overall (I have seen 1 pup of his that I liked and that was just because she was so mental) and a lot of people would agree with me. but 1 good one in Dyna Double One has probably bought Barcia another 200 litters, no one remembers the other 1000.
Fernando Bale will be the same, he has seen so many top shelf broodies that the good pups he has will cancel out the 1000 shockers. I hope im wrong for the sake of every one that has bred with him but looking at past history im afraid im going to be pretty close to the mark.
that applies to all sires!
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 27 Apr 2016 04:44
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yes but woeful sires downgrade good broodies that have been elsewhere and succeeded.
not a good example but it isn't hard to see the bad sire choice:
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