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Mark William Claxton
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Point taken, but as Rob Britton say's near on all his bitches that have 'no' legs CANNOT run (ie slow in terms of Fernando Bale stock)


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What was Ravenna's race weight?



Kevin Wright
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Mark Staines wrote:

It's common knowledge Fernando can throw smallish bitches as did the best Broody sire i have ever seen Benjamin John !!!

In Victoria it was
Bowetzel and Chariot Supreme Bitches ...They had no legs at all ....


Mark William Claxton
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But could they run? As RB say's most of FB's can't run.


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Gee wish i owned any of the above Bitches !!!



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That is 3, out of how many? And none of them throw to him!


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AND before you "rant" on, it is called COLOUR GENETIC'S. It is NO surprise that MOST of Barcia Bale's BEST are black dogs similar himself.


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A sire either throws good progeny or doesn't forget about colours !!!!
Fabregas and Magic Sprite only produce Black pups so how does your Colour Theory work with those sires ROFLMAO ????



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No wonder why you have Jack Nicholson's photo as your profile! I went to a breeding seminar at Albion Park that had Allan Pringle, Paul Wheeler, Dennis Reid, Tony Zammit etc on the panel. And there was also a lady named Gail who was an animal genetic expert. And who do you think was getting the most questions asked of them. Paul Wheeler, Dennis Reid? NO, Gail! So when you become an ex"spert" then you can make comment. How many "champions" have you bred???


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All you've ever done is drop names, first it was Allen Chauncy , then Britton and now all of the above, you were the Clown of Facebook and now the Clown of Greyhound Data !!!


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I am quoting people that know what they are talking about 'Jack'. As Dr Peter Thomas (RIP) always said, greyhound people are 1 of the most UN educated people on the planet. He should know he had to deal with them everyday. By the way, did you go to university?


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'You know', where a vet goes to learn the "science" of 'greyhounds'.



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Boys boys ..

There are only two basic pigments that
determine the color of canines

DNA is not as simple as ABC
The nuclei of dog cells contain important genetic data. The dog has 39 pairs of chromosomes in each cell (39 from the mother and 39 from the father). One of these pairs determines the sex of the dog and the rest determine everything else that makes him or her unique. Chromosomes are made up of thousands of genes that carry traits inscribed in DNA (see article Understanding DNA for more information).

"the mother and father each randomly contribute
one allele from each locus, giving each allele a
50% chance of being passed on to the pups."
Genes have pairs of alleles (one from each parent) that are located at specific sites (loci) on a chromosome. When dogs breed, the mother and father each randomly contribute one allele from each locus, giving each allele a 50% chance of being passed on to the pups. One of the alleles at each locus is dominant and determines the traits, like coat color, portrayed in the dog.

It starts with two colors
Despite the huge variety in coat color, there are only two basic pigments that determine the color of canines: eumelanin (black) and phaeomelanin (red). All different variations in color are created by these two pigments, which are both forms of melanin.

"there are only two basic pigments that
determine the color of canines"
Melanocytes are the cells within the hair follicles that add melanin to the hair as it grows and determine basic coat color. The more melanin, the darker the color. The production of melanin is not always at a steady rate so the tip of a dogs hair may be darker than the rest of the hair shaft.

"Each of the pigments, eumelanin and phaeomelanin,
has a "default" color that can be
modified by various genes."
Each of the pigments, eumelanin and phaeomelanin, has a "default" color that can be modified by various genes. Eumelanin is, by default, black pigment but variation in color occurs because genes modify eumelanin to create other colors such as liver(brown), blue (grey), or isabella (pale brown). Genes essentially dilute the pigment into these other colors by preventing the production of full strength eumelanin.

Phaeomelanin is the second pigment that determines canine coat color. This pigment is red with a default color of gold or yellow. Phaeomelanin creates reds that range from deep red (Irish Setter) to orange, cream, gold, yellow or tan. Genes control the intensity of phaeomelanin making the color stronger or weaker. This pigment is produced only in the coat and affects only hair color while eumelanin affects eye and nose color. Phaeomelanin in people is responsible for freckles!

Eumelanin and phaeomelanin in all their forms create a huge range of dog coat colors. White hair on dogs occurs when cells do not produce any pigment at all. Most of the time this affects certain portions of the dogs coat. For example, you may see a colored dog with white markings. If eumelanin is not produced in the nose, the dog ends up with a pink nose. If eumelanin is absent in the eyes, the dog has blue eyes. Rarely, the entire coat is affected resulting in an albino dog with red eyes.

Genetics expands the range of these two colors.
Many genes impact the color of a dog by manipulating these two basic pigments. The dog genome contains approximately 3 billion base pairs of DNA and thousands of genes. But only 8 genes in the dog are associated with coat color. The loci associated with coat color in dogs are:

A (agouti) locus. This site is responsible for different coat patterns in the dog. Agouti protein controls the release of melanin into the hair and is involved in switching between the two pigments (eumelanin and phaeomelanin).

E (extension) locus. This locus creates the black facial mask of many dogs as well as yellow or red coats. The four alleles of this gene in order of dominance are: melanistic mask (Em), grizzle (Eg), black (E) and red (e).

K (dominant black) locus. This gene controls dominant black, brindle, and fawn colors. This relatively new locus includes colorations previously linked to other genes like Agouti.

B (brown) locus. This locus is linked to brown, chocolate, and liver. There are two brown alleles, B (dominant brown) and b (recessive brown). It takes two recessives (bb) to dilute black pigment to brown. For dogs in the red or yellow pigment family (phaeomelanin), the brown allele can change the color of the nose and foot pads to brown.

D (dilute) locus. This genetic site is responsible for diluted pigment which lightens coats from black or brown to gray or blue or very pale brown.A mutation in the melanophilin (MLPH) gene is the cause of color dilution. The two alleles associated with dilution are D (dominant full color) and d (recessive dilute). It takes two recessives (dd) to lighten black pigment to gray or blue and red pigment to cream.

M (merle) locus. The mutation that causes merle in all its forms has been identified. This site creates coats of irregularly shaped patches of diluted pigment and solid color. Merle only dilutes eumelanin (black) pigment. Dogs with red or yellow pigment are not merle but can produce merle pups.

H (harlequin) locus. This site is associated with white dogs that have black patches and often interacts with the Merle locus to create different combinations of spots and colors.

S (spotting) locus. This locus is associated with interesting coat color patterns such as piebald, particolor, and extreme white which produce coats with less symmetrical white spots.

Each of these loci works alone or in conjunction with another locus to control the production and distribution of eumelanin and phaeomelanin. The combined efforts of all the loci determine the color of the dog. But a dog of one color may carry hidden colors in his gene pool that may appear in his/her pups. Thats why you may have pups that are not mirror images of either parent.

Genes Rule
The color of a dogs coat is basically at the mercy of his gene pool. Genes do two things that determine a dogs appearance. They control the pigments produced (eumelanin and phaeomelanin) and where these pigments are produced. Genes rule by telling some cells to make eumelanin, others to make phaeomelanin, and still others to make no pigment whatsoever. Genes can even tell a cell to switch gears and change from the production of eumelanin to phaeomelanin to create a hair that is both black and red!

Although it sounds like color may be determined by a roll of the dice, Mendle showed us years ago that genetics is a science that controls an organisms characteristicseven the color of a dog. And with a sound knowledge of genetics, dominant vs. recessive genes, mutations, and possible alleles, predicting the color of puppies is a statistical probability. From two pigments comes multiple variations in canine coat color. And thats what makes your dog unique!




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mark william claxton wrote:

I am quoting people that know what they are talking about 'Jack'. As Dr Peter Thomas (RIP) always said, greyhound people are 1 of the most UN educated people on the planet. He should know he had to deal with them everyday. By the way, did you go to university?

A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad. Theodore Roosevelt.



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Going to school & going to university are 2 worlds apart. Way too many in his industry that have NO "scientific" idea. As Dr Ray Ferguson from Victoria was recently quoted as saying, "greyhound racing people make odd claims about how to treat injuries & or what supplements to feed dogs and i would think that is not logical or factual".



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Fernando Bale might have thrown more Group class males than females, but you only need look at his top offspring to see plenty of litter sisters to these top males can run as well. Weve even seen poorly performed litter sisters to top class male dogs also produce over the years...


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Yes, i agree Darren. But as i have stated on this forum before, as Glen Rounds told me years ago if the litter sisters can't run it is an expensive exercise to find out the pups can't run. Yes, in the past some well related bitches have thrown but i would not be far wrong in saying that most of them showed "ability".



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I dont disagree with you too much there. Some sort of ability needs to be there or close up in the dam line. Which is what you can read from most of this list...not all want to be racers!

Dasha 14 starts 3-2-2 Cranb 30.87, Sandown city placed 30.06...dam of G1 Topgun winner Get It Gizmo.

Flying Liddy 53 starts 3-6-7; twice city placed Wentworth Park 30.44 and 30.53 dam of multiple G1 winner Zambora Brockie.

Hail Queenie placed Wentworth Park 31.18 - dam of Black Forge

Who Told Lindylu 51 Starts. 7-5-10 PM $9878. TAB winner couldnt place in city - dam of Simon Told Helen and Who Told Stevie.

Captivating twice city placed sister to Jubilation - dam of Black Opium

Jubilation TAB winning sister to Captivating - dam of Flynn

Love To Rock 5 starts 0-0-0, but ran 30.87 at Richmond in getting beat to show she had a good motor and subsequently produced G1 dogs Matt Machine & Exs and Ohs

Foot Luce 6 starts 1-0-0 Angle Park 30.63 dam of G1 Sapphire Crown winner Oakvale Destiny and hot litter mates Oakvale Magic, Footluce Diva, Texas Titan

Limited Addition 13 starts 0-1-1. Dam of multiple Group race finalist Patch Adam Wentworth Park 29.55, Rich 30.41, 30.42; Gardens 29.43

Keiras Charm 1 TAB 6 country wins - dam of G1 Bago Bye Bye

Unquestionably 300m bitch - dam of Zoom Out

Easy Baby 300m bitch - dam of Big Flood

Father of Mine 300m TAB bitch - dam of Group winning littermates Nervous And Weird, My American Girl

Little Hammer 5 starts 1-0-1 Meadows 30.80 - dam of Slingshot Hammer

All Quality TAB winner - dam of Group finalists La Grand Quality, Caviar Quality

Flossy 9 starts 1-3-0 TAB winner - dam of Peter Galo, To The Galos

Flash Riot TAB winner failed to place in city dam of Start A Riot

Weeping Lass 300m TAB winner - dam of Crimson Vixen

Fantasy Royale city placed Wentworth Park - dam of G1 Leroy Rogue, Aphorism, Kong

Splendourous TAB winner, couldnt place in city, ticket for failing to chase - dam of multiple G1 bitch Miss Splendamiro

Fancy Jaffa 2 starts 0-0-0 Richmond 31.58, 31.83 - dam of Burn One Down, Buck Forty

Kirabilli Abbie TAB winner - dam of Lightning Frank

Aston Dream TAB winner city placed Sandown 30.49 - dam of Aston Bolero

Absolute Stunna TAB winner, couldnt place in the city - dam of Blazin Bomber, Bells Are Ringin, Ring The Bell

Zipping Rose 4 starts 0-0-3 (placed Wentworth Park 31.01) - dam of G1 PAWS winner King Cratos

Kim Zarr Dashian couldnt place in the city at Wentworth Park - dam of boom pup Jim Zarr Dashian Sandown Park 29.02 and Im Zarr Rock

Ella Lezah 14 starts 1-2-1 (Gardens 23.25) - dam of Sky Wave, Ella Enchanted, Elusive Wave, Flying Ella, Djay Holden


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Yes, plenty that don't show much on the track BUT alot of them would have run decent time solo i would suspect. Going to be very interesting to follow Fernando's bitches when they are bred from.


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I have a bitch that matches up good with Wow. But the way he is going, will be a decent price if & when he goes to stud.

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