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Just keeping it to Rippin Sam and his litter mates if possible
Rod Strachan Australia (Verified User) Posts 3610 Dogs 46 / Races 16 17 May 2018 10:49
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Malcolm Smart wrote:
Rod Strachan wrote:
Mal it's a shame Tornado Tears had to be scratched in the heats...he is potentially the best stayer we have seen for some time IMO
I'll stick with Sam..
Yeah goodnight lol
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 21 Oct 2018 00:47
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Thoughts on Sam at stud?
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1626 Dogs 2993 / Races 11817 21 Oct 2018 06:55
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Apart from being a stayer, a lot of breeders would be concerned about his brother
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 21 Oct 2018 08:34
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Concerned how?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 21 Oct 2018 08:54
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Concerned how?
That he was BETTER
Craig Andrews Australia (Verified User) Posts 2014 Dogs 15 / Races 2 22 Oct 2018 02:26
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Just a quick glance at their best times from FastTrack at The Meadows (Tornado 42.02 and Sam 42.03) and Sandown (Tornado 41.20 and Sam 41.25) I'd say there's not much in it.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Oct 2018 03:31
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Craig Andrews wrote:
Just a quick glance at their best times from FastTrack at The Meadows (Tornado 42.02 and Sam 42.03) and Sandown (Tornado 41.20 and Sam 41.25) I'd say there's not much in it.
Looks good on paper , but what stats and numbers dont explain is how it was done
How they run their races is chalk and cheese One looks hungry ,urgent and a desire to catch ! The other looks like hes out for a stroll in the park for 70% of the race
I am not knocking either , they are fantastic
These differences could explain different results in the stud game for both ,whichever becomes more popular, regardless of times , close or not !
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 22 Oct 2018 05:08
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Craig Andrews wrote:
Just a quick glance at their best times from FastTrack at The Meadows (Tornado 42.02 and Sam 42.03) and Sandown (Tornado 41.20 and Sam 41.25) I'd say there's not much in it.
Looks good on paper , but what stats and numbers dont explain is how it was done
How they run their races is chalk and cheese One looks hungry ,urgent and a desire to catch ! The other looks like hes out for a stroll in the park for 70% of the race
I am not knocking either , they are fantastic
These differences could explain different results in the stud game for both ,whichever becomes more popular, regardless of times , close or not !
TORNADO, isnt equipped for stud
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 22 Oct 2018 06:49
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Rippins book will be interesting then ......
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Oct 2018 22:21
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Craig Andrews wrote:
Just a quick glance at their best times from FastTrack at The Meadows (Tornado 42.02 and Sam 42.03) and Sandown (Tornado 41.20 and Sam 41.25) I'd say there's not much in it.
Looks good on paper , but what stats and numbers dont explain is how it was done
How they run their races is chalk and cheese One looks hungry ,urgent and a desire to catch ! The other looks like hes out for a stroll in the park for 70% of the race
I am not knocking either , they are fantastic
These differences could explain different results in the stud game for both ,whichever becomes more popular, regardless of times , close or not !
Nathan,
Most of that is fair enough and Craig's figures are right, too.
But Tornado is a risky-to-fair beginner, Sam a moderate one, which makes a difference. Tornado definitely likes to have the rails to himself and will sometimes hold up if he can't get inside a leader. Sam is not fussed. Sam has a "desire to catch" because he is at the back of the field and has no other choice.
Tornado has won 10 of 11 distance starts - his only failure was at his initial look at Albion Park (where peculiar gradients are in place and he began in the ruck).
Sam has won only half his distance starts - 12 of 24.
Tornado and Sam have competed against each other 7 times - Tornado won the lot.
Sam is bigger by a couple of kilos.
Two-out, it would be 1/2 Tornado and 3/1 Sam.
Breeding? Sires which can't jump tend not to throw good beginners (Bekim Bale?) but greater minds than mine will rule there. Still, I could not possibly go past Tornado.
The two best Chappell brothers both did well, as did the Waugh brothers but they had completely different characteristics. All scored centuries but in much different ways. I played tennis with and against two sets of identical twins - they were chalk and cheese, too. As a kid, I once took four games off Lew Hoad in a two set match. Ken Rosewall would never have let me get any.
On times: too many guys are prone to be critical of the use of race times but in the next breath they do the opposite and then go on to quote them in the next ad for sires. It's not the only measure but it is a helluva good one to start with.
In all cases, first check out the opposition - whether Tornado, Sam or Fanta Bale. All are an asset to the industry but in different ways.
Ashley Paul Craven Australia (Verified User) Posts 236 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Mar 2021 10:04
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Rippin Sam seems to be throwing some nice race dogs who are running time on the clock. We like to hear from people who have any of his progeny.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 13 Apr 2022 08:52
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Who has Rippin Sam at stud?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 13 Apr 2022 08:59
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Not current, but should at worse know where to find them
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