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Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 30 Jan 2020 20:20
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daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
Wade Gallagher Australia (Verified User) Posts 372 Dogs 117 / Races 0 30 Jan 2020 21:15
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
I agree with you Sandro.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2020 21:58
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
G'day Sandro,couldn't agree more,( one of Australia's most influential stud dogs from the '80s for memory was retired for the same reason as Franky,but his bloodline is still highly sought after...I wonder if Ryan knows who ,most of us "old farts" would lol).
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 30 Jan 2020 23:01
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daryl barrett wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
G'day Sandro,couldn't agree more,( one of Australia's most influential stud dogs from the '80s for memory was retired for the same reason as Franky,but his bloodline is still highly sought after...I wonder if Ryan knows who ,most of us "old farts" would lol).
What gets me is we use the USA sires for strength, sure they have the out-cross, but as soon as one of our potential sires goes over 600m a lot of breeders put a line through them
Zambora Brockie is another new sire that is doing well who had pretty good 600m form off the back of his outstanding Group sprint wins, having won at The Meadows in 34.15.
That ability to sprint that hard for 600m is a real bonus IMHO
Anyway, this is about Feral Franky, and outside of his enormous speed & strength, I think his incredible chase is a real important factor in his make up
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Jan 2020 23:53
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
G'day Sandro,couldn't agree more,( one of Australia's most influential stud dogs from the '80s for memory was retired for the same reason as Franky,but his bloodline is still highly sought after...I wonder if Ryan knows who ,most of us "old farts" would lol).
What gets me is we use the USA sires for strength, sure they have the out-cross, but as soon as one of our potential sires goes over 600m a lot of breeders put a line through them
Zambora Brockie is another new sire that is doing well who had pretty good 600m form off the back of his outstanding Group sprint wins, having won at The Meadows in 34.15.
That ability to sprint that hard for 600m is a real bonus IMHO
Anyway, this is about Feral Franky, and outside of his enormous speed & strength, I think his incredible chase is a real important factor in his make up
That's exactly right...try & work that out,but also,broodbitch's are the same imo, i love a broodie who had those same attributes ecspially when they have gone to a sire who is a strong,fast 500mtr dog but couldn't quite get 600 + strongly enough,but as you say,let's not get off topic.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 31 Jan 2020 01:20
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
G'day Sandro,couldn't agree more,( one of Australia's most influential stud dogs from the '80s for memory was retired for the same reason as Franky,but his bloodline is still highly sought after...I wonder if Ryan knows who ,most of us "old farts" would lol).
What gets me is we use the USA sires for strength, sure they have the out-cross, but as soon as one of our potential sires goes over 600m a lot of breeders put a line through them
Zambora Brockie is another new sire that is doing well who had pretty good 600m form off the back of his outstanding Group sprint wins, having won at The Meadows in 34.15.
That ability to sprint that hard for 600m is a real bonus IMHO
Anyway, this is about Feral Franky, and outside of his enormous speed & strength, I think his incredible chase is a real important factor in his make up
My bro Fabio is another one, wins over 600m meadows 34.12 and sandown 34.01 and kicking goals at stud.
I think the feral will go real well at stud he was a dead set chasing machine and if he had of gone over 600m it wouldn't have harmed his likeability at stud one bit. It's more the staying types like batman who don't chase for 3/4 of a race that breeders generally refuse to use!
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 31 Jan 2020 02:07
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If they put him over the 600m trip he may not have got the nos at stud
G'day Ryan,the thing is mate,I think that most people would have seen the staying potential in him & I doubt that would not have worried too many who want to take their broodies to him,let's not forget,top notch stayer's have always ran sub 30 seconds over the "500",& inadvertently that is the difference between the elite & the average stayed,& to be honest,I believe that would make him more valuable as a stud dog.Just my opinion,cheers mate.
Dyna Double One held both 600m track records and has dpne reasonably well at stud
Moreira has won over 600m and is getting some very very handy dogs now including one that knocked off Tiggerlong Tonk at Sandown last night
I agree with you Daryl, the jump to 600m, what are we talking about 80m in most cases, its hardly stretching them over the distance
I actually think, and its only my opinion, as you say, top notch 500m form with the ability to stretch to 600m is valuable for a stud dog as it gives scope when looking to breed your bitch, especially in these days when short course racing seems to be taking over the Australian scene
I would think there wouldn't have been much doubt that Feral Franky would have posted some awesome 600m times, but I guess we will never know for sure, the damline through Tifi and Mogambo has strength in it
G'day Sandro,couldn't agree more,( one of Australia's most influential stud dogs from the '80s for memory was retired for the same reason as Franky,but his bloodline is still highly sought after...I wonder if Ryan knows who ,most of us "old farts" would lol).
What gets me is we use the USA sires for strength, sure they have the out-cross, but as soon as one of our potential sires goes over 600m a lot of breeders put a line through them
Zambora Brockie is another new sire that is doing well who had pretty good 600m form off the back of his outstanding Group sprint wins, having won at The Meadows in 34.15.
That ability to sprint that hard for 600m is a real bonus IMHO
Anyway, this is about Feral Franky, and outside of his enormous speed & strength, I think his incredible chase is a real important factor in his make up
My bro Fabio is another one, wins over 600m meadows 34.12 and sandown 34.01 and kicking goals at stud.
I think the feral will go real well at stud he was a dead set chasing machine and if he had of gone over 600m it wouldn't have harmed his likeability at stud one bit. It's more the staying types like batman who don't chase for 3/4 of a race that breeders generally refuse to use!
Mark...another agree from me,can you imagine how excited Franky's owners must be !!,hopefully we don't put " the mock "on them or Franky,lol.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 31 Jan 2020 04:07
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Hey guys it's all about pedigree for me too so not saying it's right, it's just what happens.
Awesome Assassin is probably the stud dog that best proves your case. That old enuf for ya Daryl? lol. Cheers.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 31 Jan 2020 04:19
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
Hey guys it's all about pedigree for me too so not saying it's right, it's just what happens.
Awesome Assassin is probably the stud dog that best proves your case. Then again they wldnt put him over the 700m prob for the same reason too. That old enuf for ya Daryl?(haha). Cheers.
G'day Ryan,good & fair point's,& yeah,i'll cop that era...it makes me feel younger already,lol,( mate,for the record,i am not saying that i'm right & your'e wrong either,we all have our opinions & thats what great about the G/D forum ),cheers mate.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 01 Feb 2020 09:08
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G'day All,just wondering who will be lining up for Franky,& what broodie will you take to him ?? ( just intrested, thats all ) thanks in advance.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Feb 2020 22:18
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No doubting Feral Frankys potential at stud. My only doubt would come from the lack of sons of Collision to really make it at stud. Bogie King , Dyna Steal, Hostile, Phenomenal, Shakey Jakey, Wreck, Crash, Dyna Tron. Have I missed a better one?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Feb 2020 22:48
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Feb 2020 07:17
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Yes. Would certainly have made a lasting impact had he lived longer.
Barry RICCIO Australia (Verified User) Posts 167 Dogs 60 / Races 11 02 Feb 2020 08:24
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
No doubting Feral Frankys potential at stud. My only doubt would come from the lack of sons of Collision to really make it at stud. Bogie King , Dyna Steal, Hostile, Phenomenal, Shakey Jakey, Wreck, Crash, Dyna Tron. Have I missed a better one?
Crash is by Brett Lee and he stood at Stud in Ireland and he was very successful at Stud in the United Kingdom
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Feb 2020 09:05
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
No doubting Feral Frankys potential at stud. My only doubt would come from the lack of sons of Collision to really make it at stud. Bogie King , Dyna Steal, Hostile, Phenomenal, Shakey Jakey, Wreck, Crash, Dyna Tron. Have I missed a better one?
Dyna villa.
Kicking some goals at stud and served Fanta Bale
Trent Wrigley Australia (Verified User) Posts 1548 Dogs 40 / Races 3 02 Feb 2020 09:13
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
No doubting Feral Frankys potential at stud. My only doubt would come from the lack of sons of Collision to really make it at stud. Bogie King , Dyna Steal, Hostile, Phenomenal, Shakey Jakey, Wreck, Crash, Dyna Tron. Have I missed a better one?
High earner Was stand out but so far yes u would have thought his sons would have gone better.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 02 Feb 2020 10:10
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Top second offspring Collision male side option would be a great way to easily look up how his sons are going at stud (a future g data option fingers crossed), no doubting FFs appeal thats for sure,how do people rate stud dogs his damline has produced thus far?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 02 Feb 2020 10:35
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
No doubting Feral Frankys potential at stud. My only doubt would come from the lack of sons of Collision to really make it at stud.
If HIGH EARNER had not passed at an early age, this question would not be raised. The way HE started his stud career was equally as good to any of this era. I say this even after using him twice with no positive results.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 02 Feb 2020 17:43
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Morning all,i think this is getting off topic a bit,the question i asked was about what broodies people are thinking of taking to,or potentially taking to Franky...taking in HIS pedigree,& the broodbitch's pedigree,Cheers
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 03 Feb 2020 05:05
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Daughters or Granddaughters of Brett Lee would work !!!!!
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