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Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 09 Mar 2021 13:26
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steven martin wrote:
Simon Milgate wrote:
BMR, Looking down the Dam line to see the last stud dog it produced and found this fellow.
https:/ CLICK HERE I think a few of the old old timers on the EBH thread in the talk section were training back then so they might shed some light on his progeny.
Very interesting you shld mention Buddy Rich Steven.
When you look at the very high percentage linebreeding niche or relationship between Buddy's sire Hotshow Sam & Chloe Allen within 5 gens https:/ CLICK HERE ..........reintroduce 88% Hotshow Sam (14 of the 16 lines in the 5th gen cross duplicated) back into Buddy's damline through Chloe Allen look at the result https:/ CLICK HERE (and BMR)
Time after time an absolutely great place to start a pedigree when you think of the possibilities. ================================================================
Graham Moscow wrote:
If were serious about breeding speed and STRENGTH then BMR deserves serious consideration. Im sure there are heaps of dams that struggled to run 400 but have good pedigrees etc
Suggest look at BMO bitches Graham because of the very close relationship between BMR's dam Chica Destacada & BMO https:/ CLICK HERE cross duplicating different individuals.
Both Magic Sprite & BMO's damlines don't appear cross duplicated appearing at 75% in 5 gens face value, however if you go into the 6th generation you can get that percentage up to the required 88% as Tranquil Flame and Sun La Plume are litter mates & have the same pedigree. Also Hotshot's sire Acacia Ablaze and Proper Tears sire New Tears are cross duplicated.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Mar 2021 20:24
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Awesome posts fellas, huge thanks from Graham. Yes Tony D my invite was for you, thank you for not ignoring.
Final Question: BMR Where does this Iron dog get his strength from, F Bale, Ritas Choice or a different influence.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 09 Mar 2021 20:31
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Ryan..still waiting for you to finish that book,by the way,i have a title for it," Re-introducing Cross Duplication's In Greyhound's"...Rhinos Way...with cameo appearances from,"The Russian & Stevie,The Bloody Queenslander",LOL.
The title alone would sell 273,053 copies,would you be kind enough to sign my copy as requested,
"To Darly,my confidente, best mate & superstar punter",...will i get a free copy ??
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
steven martin wrote:
Simon Milgate wrote:
BMR, Looking down the Dam line to see the last stud dog it produced and found this fellow.
https:/ CLICK HERE I think a few of the old old timers on the EBH thread in the talk section were training back then so they might shed some light on his progeny.
Very interesting you shld mention Buddy Rich Steven.
When you look at the very high percentage linebreeding niche or relationship between Buddy's sire Hotshow Sam & Chloe Allen within 5 gens https:/ CLICK HERE ..........reintroduce 88% Hotshow Sam (14 of the 16 lines in the 5th gen cross duplicated) back into Buddy's damline through Chloe Allen look at the result https:/ CLICK HERE (and BMR)
Time after time an absolutely great place to start a pedigree when you think of the possibilities. ================================================================
Graham Moscow wrote:
If were serious about breeding speed and STRENGTH then BMR deserves serious consideration. Im sure there are heaps of dams that struggled to run 400 but have good pedigrees etc
Suggest look at BMO bitches Graham because of the very close relationship between BMR's dam Chica Destacada & BMO https:/ CLICK HERE cross duplicating different individuals.
Both Magic Sprite & BMO's damlines don't appear cross duplicated appearing at 75% in 5 gens face value, however if you go into the 6th generation you can get that percentage up to the required 88% as Tranquil Flame and Sun La Plume are litter mates & have the same pedigree. Also Hotshot's sire Acacia Ablaze and Proper Tears sire New Tears are cross duplicated.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 09 Mar 2021 22:55
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daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan..still waiting for you to finish that book,by the way,i have a title for it," Re-introducing Cross Duplication's In Greyhound's"...Rhinos Way.....
I cant claim credit for that Daryl as it's all Tessio - 'reintroducing a successful sire back into a brood mare's pedigree through different individuals' or like(cant remember the exact wording).
The only thing I've found is that if that's achieved through an immediate dam (as explained in my previous post) it appears to be far more potent.
If it's achieved through the sires father's dam such as in BMR's case with Chloe Allen the intensity will be slightly less as it's a generation further back if you were to use BMR as a sire which is why I suggested going through BMR's dam Chica Destacada if possible.
With horses it may not matter as you can get only one foal per mating, so the intensity may be potent within the whole pedigree of the sire rather than through just his dam for example, where as with greyhounds because you can have up to 16 pups per litter greyhound pedigrees dictate a greater concentration of intensity is likely required to produce a city class conveyance i.e., within the sires damline only, within the grandsires damline only etc. rather than through the entire sires pedigree which Tessio alludes to. IOW Horsebreeders have it easier, much harder to breed a really fast greyhound.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Mar 2021 00:14
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Ryan there is a lot of parallels with your technique for pedigrees and chess principles Duplication of positions with high intensity after a proven chess opening. Everyday in high level grand master games they reach duplicated positions that go way way back in history to other iconic chess players. I myself look upon the damline / dam pedigree is my opponent, I have to find suitable sire, in chess its find a suitable chess opening, sires are my chess pieces. If chess was named differently it would be called Intensification. Tesio also my breeding idol, his principles strong as ever.
Daryl top idea regarding Ryans book. I would definitely purchase along with many others. Tha Russian and Stevie will keep readers amused Good luck to BMR I await the next Fernando Bale son at stud (unproven) Once again awesome posts huge thanks to all that posted
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 10 Mar 2021 01:19
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Haha. Don't include my name on the cover of the book. It will scare customers away.
If you ever write a book Ryan, you could call it -
Is 18.8% the key to Breeding winners?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 10 Mar 2021 01:57
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The only way I'd write a book wld be if I were layed up in bed ready to move onto the next stage of life.....so lets all take a breath and enjoy Graham's topic. btw Darly you've got a lot to answer for! Lol.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 10 Mar 2021 07:16
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
daryl barrett wrote:
Ryan..still waiting for you to finish that book,by the way,i have a title for it," Re-introducing Cross Duplication's In Greyhound's"...Rhinos Way.....
I cant claim credit for that Daryl as it's all Tessio - 'reintroducing a successful sire back into a brood mare's pedigree through different individuals' or like(cant remember the exact wording).
The only thing I've found is that if that's achieved through an immediate dam (as explained in my previous post) it appears to be far more potent.
If it's achieved through the sires father's dam such as in BMR's case with Chloe Allen the intensity will be slightly less as it's a generation further back if you were to use BMR as a sire which is why I suggested going through BMR's dam Chica Destacada if possible.
With horses it may not matter as you can get only one foal per mating, so the intensity may be potent within the whole pedigree of the sire rather than through just his dam for example, where as with greyhounds because you can have up to 16 pups per litter greyhound pedigrees dictate a greater concentration of intensity is likely required to produce a city class conveyance i.e., within the sires damline only, within the grandsires damline only etc. rather than through the entire sires pedigree which Tessio alludes to. IOW Horsebreeders have it easier, much harder to breed a really fast greyhound.
BINGO !
I've mentioned "Tesio"(only one "S",sorry Ryan) in some of my posts previously, and was fobbed off by the experts. A brilliant, brilliant man in genetics. Bloody Italians.......
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 10 Mar 2021 08:26
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Tony Digiorgio wrote:
I've mentioned "Tesio"(only one "S",sorry Ryan) in some of my posts previously, and was fobbed off by the experts. A brilliant, brilliant man in genetics. Bloody Italians.......
Agree. Tesio is a legend. Who are these "Experts" you talk about Tony that have fobbed you off? Maybe there not experts. Unbelievable.
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Mar 2021 17:51
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Ha ha ha ha ha!!You're far to humble Rhino,but yeah,back to Graham's post.
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
The only way I'd write a book wld be if I were layed up in bed ready to move onto the next stage of life.....so lets all take a breath and enjoy Graham's topic. btw Darly you've got a lot to answer for! Lol.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15478 Dogs 0 / Races 1 13 Mar 2021 23:50
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Mmm thats amazing.The triple 18.8%
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 31 May 2021 00:31
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Any figures on matings by Fernando Bale sons at stud. (unproven) Much appreciated if anyone can advise.
Slingshot Whippa has just thrown a pup that easily broke 18.00 at McNamara's. https:/ CLICK HERE . He's Slingshot Hammer's littermate. Whippa won a heat of the Speed Star in 29.34 at Sandown.
I have no connection with the dog other than I look at pedigree profiles for the owner's bitches.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Jun 2021 21:34
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Welcome Tommy Shelby to stud, I see TS already got a few matings. Predictions please as to what bitches he will best suit
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Jun 2021 22:11
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
Graham Moscow wrote:
Any figures on matings by Fernando Bale sons at stud. (unproven) Much appreciated if anyone can advise.
Slingshot Whippa has just thrown a pup that easily broke 18.00 at McNamara's. https:/ CLICK HERE . He's Slingshot Hammer's littermate. Whippa won a heat of the Speed Star in 29.34 at Sandown.
I have no connection with the dog other than I look at pedigree profiles for the owner's bitches.
Welcome Slingshot Whippa to stud duties. Any Predictions what bitches he will suit best. Ryan it sounds like Fabregas bitches are serious candidates
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Jun 2021 03:45
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Welcome Tommy Shelby to stud, I see TS already got a few matings. Predictions please as to what bitches he will best suit
Ok Graham will kick off. IMO Tommy X Fabregas, Barcia Bitches
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 09 Jun 2021 06:15
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Hi Graham,
That really fast break in of Slingshot Whippa was out of the Tranquil Flame damline and his connection thru his dam Little Hammer with Light of Fire(94% within 5gens) https:/ CLICK HERE ,who was extremly successful with that damline line previously.
As well as the above Whippa's dam Little Hammer lines up very well with damlines that have clicked with Brett Lee https:/ CLICK HERE 94% within 5 gens as does his sires dam Chloe Allen https:/ CLICK HERE 94% within 6 gens.
Those damlines may be a good place to start.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Jun 2021 06:10
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
Hi Graham,
That really fast break in of Slingshot Whippa was out of the Tranquil Flame damline and his connection thru his dam Little Hammer with Light of Fire(94% within 5gens) https:/ CLICK HERE ,who was extremly successful with that damline line previously.
As well as the above Whippa's dam Little Hammer lines up very well with damlines that have clicked with Brett Lee https:/ CLICK HERE 94% within 5 gens as does his sires dam Chloe Allen https:/ CLICK HERE 94% within 6 gens.
Those damlines may be a good place to start.
Both legendary Queensland damlines origins Mad Midge, Another Fool great producers.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Nov 2021 03:35
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Graham Moscow wrote:
Welcome Tommy Shelby to stud, I see TS already got a few matings. Predictions please as to what bitches he will best suit
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