Eventually, every person on earth will get covid at some stage.
Some of us just are not that concerned about it.

But here is what I find disturbing. 18 months of lies and cover ups, and not a single admission of fault or accountability by our so-called leaders.

In February 2020, the world was shown footage of people falling dead in the streets of China. This was our introduction to covid-19. A new deadly virus that kills you without warning.
Then in Australia, we were told that up to 150,000 people will die. The expert scientific 'modelling' presented a worse case scenario, without considering our population density, our first world health system, or the fact that most of our elderly are not active in the community. So on current trends, we will get to 150,000 deaths in another 200 years.
And then there is the Victorian hotel quarantine fiasco, responsible for 800 deaths, and the so-called inquiry into it. Twelve of the states top government officials cannot recall details of a meeting held 7 months prior. Blatant lie.
And I wont even start on the obvious fact that most of those who are sick, were not healthy to begin with.

Never has a single Government appointed health expert come out publicly and explained the benefits of ................ GOOD HEALTH.
Never have we heard why over 98% of people who get covid, have a full recovery.
All we get all day, every day is FEAR.
And you want me to believe that these Governments are the ones who know best? And they are the ones who will protect me?
Please.
My protection comes from God and Him alone. Fear does not live in this body.
I am not belittling any death here. All deaths are sad, not just the covid deaths.

Right now, almost every Australian has had the chance to be vaccinated. And I do not believe that we will ever get to 80%.
So just open up our country now. Or just make it October 1. Set a date and let's get back to work.
We've made our choice. We know the risks. Your fear and lies and coercion make no difference.

And if my friendship with anyone is based on whether or not I have been vaccinated, well then that friendship was never a true one to begin with.

Gladys has lost control of Sydney and has been punishing everyone in NSWv because of her incompetence. Theres more to it than what meets the eye.

The difference Chris is a yellow fever or typhoid vaccination actually prevents you catching it.

Now as for the effectiveness of Covid jabs, just google Israel covid

That's a pretty important difference. These vaccines don't prevent you getting it or spreading it. They reduce the risk of severe complications and the duration they last is still very much unknown.

In that respect it is identical to the C7 vaccine (versus C3/C5) for greyhounds. C7 covers the canine coronavirus that causes gastro in dogs. It is not a requirement for racing or in puppy classes for other breeds. It does not prevent dogs getting it. It merely reduces the severity and duration of the illness. And that vaccination I think has been around for 20 or so years. I doubt our human vaccines will operate much different to the C7 canine one.

As for mandatory vax for participants, it isn't enforceable as we are not subject to the Fair Work Act. However should any racing body wish to pay us a fixed hourly rate, with superannuation and commensurate leave then yes they could enforce it.

I'll get Moderna but you need to understand how this works and it isn't your grandpas vaccination. We're all guinea pigs and they're learning as they go.

You're right mate, fancy taking medical advice from the greyhound community? Absurd!

Glenn - I think we all know that greyhound trainers are just members of the community. Some will make a decision based on reading and researching, some will do that based on religion or faith, some on conspiracy theories and others on government advice.

It's not unusual to see that reflected in the viewpoints being expressed here. Each and every country is handling the pandemic differently and even the vaccines being used and which countries recognise them is unique. It's a learning curve for everyone because it is a new virus. History shows the same thing happening throughout the history of all plagues since day dot.

This is a really cool link with all the different vaccines in development and already being deployed across the world. Unfortunately it is pay-walled so if you access it once take a screen capture if you want to share it.

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Hey Jamie - the only thing I wanted to correct that you mentioned earlier... none of the vaccines use the identical approach. In terms of inactivated virus like the ones we use to travel overseas for Polio, Typhoid, Diptheria etc. SinoVac for Covid - the Chinese one that isn't available here uses that approach.

If you read up about it there are question marks about how it handles delta and later strains. And apparently it rapidly declines in being effective after 6 months from the jab.

But there is one based on the traditional approach you mentioned.

Trouble really is - no one has ever developed a coronavirus vaccine for humans or animals that prevents transmission or acquiring it. That's why we still haven't cracked the key for a cure to the common cold. It's the very nature of coronaviruses and how quickly they adapt.

All they do is "reduce severity". If you really study the chronology of previous pandemics in animals or humans, you will see that over time, the virus mutates to become less lethal as it learns not to kill it's new host (because viruses want to live and make more copies not become extinct) and the host learns to better combat the new threat posed by the virus.

There were no vaccines for the Spanish Flu pandemic. There were no antibiotics for the Bubonic plague. Bad stuff happens to good people all the time. History is the best teacher ever.

That all said - I support everyones' fundamental right to manage and be responsible for their own health and well-being which is lifestyle based. Your lifestyle determines your risk appetite.

And that is why we shouldn't be calling them vaccines. Because they are not. At best they are immune system assistance injections. Which are only required if ones immune system is compromised. That is why almost everyone recovers within a few days.
The yellow fever and typhoid/diptheria vaccines have an efficacy of at least 10 years. More like 20 but you need to get a booster after 10 to keep the travel requirements.

As for this lot, 42% of Israelis have had their 3rd shot and yes, 5-6 months seems to be as long as these jabs are good for.
So my preference is to keep a naturally strong immune system rather than rely on a 6 month top up for the rest of my life.

And as for the prohibition on greyhound people giving medical advice.......I'm happy to stop as soon as every TV presenter on the planet also stops. They are as medically unqualified as I am.

Anyway, please watch the following 90 minute interview with 4 of the worlds leading experts on pandemic response, viral load and vaccine treatment. This is not misinformation. You are the ones spreading misinformation everytime you parrot what the Gov. says about this vaccine saving lives.

https://www.facebook.com/australiaoneparty/videos/1175053749649541/?__cft__[0]=AZV0DstXhC37f_kmDVlAALg8OgbJTnUtnbbhy0g4JFijI9fsiWe8eFeL5lWXOpPVpweErdtz2NzCFcnB9gvzBVeDh4q-13GNnxX2n_PRE17A7P98WO6NcY0IT-knVSmj8rhjIpn3f0qgUKN-K5ookrqsKBKdgapWxaTcOM5pNeafvjJikFMVDaUAFns8ppysjdQ&__tn__=%2B%3FFH-R

I hope that link works, if not you can find it here.

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Imagine walking up to your kids teacher & saying step aside, Ive got this from here after watching 6 months worth of play school & Sesame Street!

People (or morons) are making decisions based on medical advice from people with real medical degrees. Not from other people (or morons) who think theyre qualified because they read a lot on dr google.

it will be outdated before it gets off the ground , the crooks are way ahead of them , you can get your fake passport now

vaccination passport to travel overseas and return YES

to go down the street NO

Glenn I'm just deadset curious why you hate opposing viewpoints?
I've got my Moderna 1st jab booked in this Thursday as I was always waiting to pick my vaccine of choice.

But you seem to insinuate we should all just follow an "expert"? I'd be delighted to know who this expert is... so far as I have seen, there are academics and there is general society. Still never met a "Covid-19 specialist" here or elsewhere.

I think you'd be pretty hard pressed for any epidemiologist or virologist to claim they are nothing but learning based on what they know as they go. The same as the rest of us irrespective of their academic accreditations. Having an accreditation hardly makes one fit and qualified for purpose. Kinda like greyhound trainer licenses if you wanna head down that path.

It's a novel virus dude - a coronavirus of all types available - we don't have a cure for the common cold. I'd be delighted to find out who these experts are.

Do I think they can manage and mitigate risks sure, I said that in an earlier thread about Canine gastro. Are there any experts? Really.. experts/suitably qualified medical advice etc? Maybe. I'm not putting my faith in the brains-trust no matter what university they attended. I'm making a selection based on my own research.

Real world facts - Biontech (Pfizer) was founded in 2008. Moderna was founded in 2010. Modern companies looking for answers based on SARS and MERS. They have vaccines that somewhat work. It doesn't mean they have a solution. Just a treatment to mitigate bad outcomes.

There are no experts in unchartered territory - but I won't be rushing off to stand in front of a light therapy treatment promoted by we all know who. I stand by people's right to pick their risk-reward threshold. This stuff doesn't work like a tetanus jab.