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Horsham Greyhound of the Year
Garry Comans Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 13 / Races 79 16 Jan 2022 22:42
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Interesting extract from the Greyhound Recorders The Sunday Afternoon Finish On (16/1/2022) compiled by Peter Davis The Moccasin Affect. It concerns my dog Banjo Bert, accumulated point score winner of the Horsham Greyhound of the Year title 2021. And yet the Horsham GRC has deemed him ineligible and thus disqualified from the title based on a charge from 2020 for his trainer Garry Harding that as yet has not been finalised. This is a gross over reach by the Horsham GRC given the timeline of events. According to FastTrack, Banjo Bert was in fact trained and kennelled by a leading Western Victorian trainer right up until the Stewards confiscated the said Teaser. Well worth a read The Horsham GRC has penned an email to me stating that they have disqualified Banjo Bert because said Teaser (made of moccasin off cuts supposedly) could have given Bert an unfair advantage. In fact the Teaser was in the confines of the GRV Integrity unit at the time.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 16 Jan 2022 23:19
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Garry any observer could easily see this as a great miscarriage of justice. The position as stated by you and peter davis clearly separate the 2 issues and the dog is entitled to be recognized as GOY. I suspect the club constitution does not give the committee the duel roles of both judge and executioner but like many in that position they appear to assume that right.
Interesting to note that when tiggerlong tonk went to perth and won the group 1 perth cup he had a grab on a lure that was legal in that state but not in his home state and he won a few races following that event (unfair advantage?)
just as well clubs` petty jurisdictions do not extend any further than the clubs,
grv policy is not to interfere in club issues - on this point perhaps it should
i note that this isnt the first post on here supporting you and i would like to think that it is not the last
all the best for the future
Garry Comans Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 13 / Races 79 17 Jan 2022 00:32
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Thanks Hayden. Your support is appreciated. Principally my concern is for the dog himself Bert being penalised due to misinformation around the timeline of events. And of course to any future breeding options with Bert or indeed his sisters. You make an interesting point about Tiggerlong Tonk and the lure. Weve sent a dog and a bitch to Mt Gambier for the Finish on Lure option. Has it given them an advantage? Have a look at the performance of the bitch Minnie Banjo since she entered the kennels of Tracie Price. Observers can make them own minds up, but finally she is actual chasing. Maybe all tracks should adopt the Fon option. Anyway Ive side tracked. Lets hope common sense prevails and Banjo Bert is rightly crowned Horsham Greyhound of the Year 2021. He is a great sprinter on the big one turn track
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 17 Jan 2022 21:20
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i am fully supporting you i think the horsham grc committee have gone to far,i know the trainer very well and what the committee of the club has done has taken its toll on him ,i would hope the club goes back through its records to check up on all there goty as this could be a case of discrimination if there has been any other winner that the trainer has had a charge against them in year they won.
Garry Comans Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 13 / Races 79 18 Jan 2022 02:12
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John, absolutely correct. Garry Harding would be one of the most honest and sincere men you would ever meet. Id trust him with my last penny, and hed probably give me back double my money. This crap has taken its toll on him and impacted upon his great love of greyhounds. In a way he is being pursued by the authorities because he is too naive and too bloody honest. The Horsham GRC has jumped to a false conclusion here, and is attempting to take away from Garry a title both he and Banjo Bert thoroughly deserve. You can do no more than win the last FFA of the year to confirm the title, and thats what Garry and Bert were able to achieve. Mate your help with the litter over the years is greatly appreciated, you have whelped a terrific group of dogs. Many thanks
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 30 Jan 2022 23:22
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hi gary,has the horsham club come to there senses yet and given goty to the winner or the runner up.if i won by default i would not be there to acept the award.i have spoken to a committee member and he said this desicion has not gone through the committee,if this is true the desicion was made outside of the commitee which would be illegal,i think all involved in this should put there hands up and give there reasons why they come to the decision.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 31 Jan 2022 00:58
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Garry Comans wrote:
Interesting extract from the Greyhound Recorders The Sunday Afternoon Finish On (16/1/2022) compiled by Peter Davis The Moccasin Affect. It concerns my dog Banjo Bert, accumulated point score winner of the Horsham Greyhound of the Year title 2021. And yet the Horsham GRC has deemed him ineligible and thus disqualified from the title based on a charge from 2020 for his trainer Garry Harding that as yet has not been finalised. This is a gross over reach by the Horsham GRC given the timeline of events. According to FastTrack, Banjo Bert was in fact trained and kennelled by a leading Western Victorian trainer right up until the Stewards confiscated the said Teaser. Well worth a read The Horsham GRC has penned an email to me stating that they have disqualified Banjo Bert because said Teaser (made of moccasin off cuts supposedly) could have given Bert an unfair advantage. In fact the Teaser was in the confines of the GRV Integrity unit at the time.
Honestly, what a F**$ing circus this has turned into
The Horsham GRC Committee should be headlining the clown act at Ringling brothers
I can't think of a lamer excuse not to give the dog and the trainer something that is richly deserved
Moccasins FFS
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 31 Jan 2022 01:57
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definitly is a circus,to me it looks like they are against the trainer or they want a local to win,if it was my dog and they dont take goty of previous winners if there trainer has been charged with an offence i would seek legal advice.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 31 Jan 2022 02:59
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If the decision was not the result of proper process (illegal) as you suggest, how can an 86q charge be imposed and proven by grv investigative stewards.
Wonder what investigative means
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 31 Jan 2022 03:43
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you misunderstood hayden i meant how can any person or persons make this desicion without being voted on by the committee.i would think a decision like this would surely have to have gone before the committee ,after talking to one committee person i was told he never new about it till after the letter was sent to the connections of the dog,so if that is the case would be illegal in my opinion.ps this desicion is club based not grv they do not get involved in club affairs.
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 31 Jan 2022 04:01
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Sorry John I was referring to Geoff guy who. Initially commented on the incident on or about jan 6th on this forum. He was issued with a750 fine for remarks associated with Horsham authorities and the way this has been handled. You have to wonder if it is a good system when a decision is implemented without proper authority and goes un noticed and a comment on that decision incurs the wrath of the grv stewards who dont interfere with club issues.
Was the comment a club issue? Was there an investigation by the steward after all grv would know that the Gotye was not in said kennel at said time.
It seems to me that everyone wins in this one accept the participants Again
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 31 Jan 2022 07:47
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fully agree with you hayden it will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Garry Comans Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 13 / Races 79 01 Feb 2022 09:50
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Hayden Gilders, it would now appear that the situation has deteriorated further with said trainer now being threatened with a ban of 12 months from racing, nominating and trialling at Horsham. And not by GRV Go figure.
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 01 Feb 2022 17:57
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. Where is the GRV on this?
This is disgraceful.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 01 Feb 2022 19:41
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Garry Comans wrote:
Hayden Gilders, it would now appear that the situation has deteriorated further with said trainer now being threatened with a ban of 12 months from racing, nominating and trialling at Horsham. And not by GRV Go figure.
And in the main ring we have, yes you have been waiting, the famous Bozo
GRV has some real governance issues to address
Its pure persecution now
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 01 Feb 2022 20:21
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When you read about things like this happening you can understand why people walk away from the industry in disgust and totally frustrated !
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 01 Feb 2022 22:40
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It would appear VRT decided the case on feb1 (hearing transcript not yet released) penalty imposed 12 months disqualification. See stewards inquiries grv fast track.
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 03 Feb 2022 09:01
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has any one heard of the decision wether bert keeps the goty or not no one seems to know,find it hard to see how a committee can vote with only 2 committee and president,i thought there had to be 5 on a comittee.
John Charles Caulfield Australia (Verified User) Posts 396 Dogs 2 / Races 0 05 Feb 2022 01:42
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trainer still has no answer if he wins or not,interesting at horsham tonight trainer geoff guy has been banned from raceing and trailing at horsham for 12 mths,by the committee not grv and he has dogs engaged tonight what will the club do.
Garry Comans Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 13 / Races 79 05 Feb 2022 03:09
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john charles caulfield wrote:
trainer still has no answer if he wins or not,interesting at horsham tonight trainer geoff guy has been banned from raceing and trailing at horsham for 12 mths,by the committee not grv and he has dogs engaged tonight what will the club do.
Lol, Guess Horsham Committee forgot to tell GRV? Dogs still in to race at 3.00pm. John, no reason why Bert and Garry shouldnt be awarded the Horsham GotY title. He (Garry) hasnt been suspended for life and the old teaser wasnt even on the property at the time, so certainly wasnt there for 2021. Not forgetting Bert passed every drug test pre and post racing. Youd have to ask the Horsham Committee whats going on?
Well now we know the answer. Jeff Guys being scratched one by one at 1715 onwards
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