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Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 09 Jul 2023 22:19
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Only because she is such a unbelievable racer and no matter the sire you'd be disappointed if she doesn't produce something with ability as a broodie. In no particular order and obviously you've got to look at things like size or temperament/non barker which only you'd know about Pearl
Sennachie Zinzan Brooke Tommy Shelby Fernando Bale Fernando Mick Aussie Infrared Black Magic Opal Koblenz Bernardo
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 09 Jul 2023 22:25
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David Brasch done this article last year. KC And All or Zambora Brockie you might struggle to find a straw, but it also supports your thinking on a couple of sires EXTERNAL LINK
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 10 Jul 2023 04:07
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Not many having a crack??
I came up with Aussie Infrared. Bernardo my 2nd pick. Fernando Bale made the short list.
I questioned whether you just keep adding Awesome Assassin or try and harness it all and compliment it. Bit like Pearl was bred herself. Both Aussie and Bernardo do that.
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 10 Jul 2023 05:21
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https:/ CLICK HERE Just got the crystal ball out LOL
I came up with Aussie Infrared. Bernardo my 2nd pick. Fernando Bale made the short list.
I questioned whether you just keep adding Awesome Assassin or try and harness it all and compliment it. Bit like Pearl was bred herself. Both Aussie and Bernardo do that.
I only went through the top 10 sires on the sires list last night and my top 3 in order would be
Bernardo - matches well in all parts of Pearls pedigree
Aussie Infrared - Premier Fantasy/Flying Penske cross is dominant and combined with other factors make it appealing Flying Penske also a very strong nick into Aston Dee Bee thus gives it another dimension
Sennachie - Kinloch Brae into Aston Dee Bee is a very strong nick and if looking for a Fernando option then he is a decent one to look at
I wasn't that keen on the Fernando Bale mating but him being such a dominant sire could override everything and still throw top dogs in the litters
My Redeemer and Feral Franky were also notable high raters but I thought those litters may end up a little too inbred so I have left them out of my top picks
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 10 Jul 2023 07:02
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If you look at Shes a Pearl's ped from:
(i) a Tesio perspective - She's linebred to Collision https:/ CLICK HERE at 94% within 5 gens thru her sires dam Aston Elle & also to Brett Lee https:/ CLICK HERE at 88% within 5 gens if you look at the cross duplications in the blood quota table below ;
(ii) an x Path perspective - she's primarily linebred to Promises Free and backed up by cornerstone brood Temora Lee who's primarily in x to dogs like Big Daddy Cool, Flying Amy, Pure Octane and Queen Lauryn to name a few.
If you put Fernando https:/ CLICK HERE over her Anthony you get from:
(i) a Tesio perspective - https:/ CLICK HERE an 88% nick within 6 gens with Collision & also https:/ CLICK HERE an 88% nick within 6 gens with with Brett Lee if you look at the cross duplications in the blood quota table below;
(ii) an x Path perspective - primary linebreeding in x to Tranquil Flame who's primarily in x to dogs like Postman Pat, Falcons Fury & Poke the Bear.
Therefore I quite like Fernando over Pearl as line breeding in x to Tranquil Flame can add a load of pace if it clicks, it's unfortunately just not how Shes a Pearl herself is linebred in x.
So I went looking for Promises Free linebreeding in x backed up by Temora Lee.
Like Sandro I thought I'd found one in My Redeemer unfortunately Awesome Assassin trumped in in the x path, and similar to Darren I found myself questioning whether to run with the Tranquil Flame x path or just keep looking to preserve the same or similar breeding path with which Shes a Pearl herself was bred.
I personally would keep looking to maintain that same breeding integrity she carries through both Tesio and the x path, but it may be a waste of time and not even attainable.
All that work, with Fernando staring you in the face. Easy/obvious option is Fernando for the reasons stated. Cheers and thanks for the opportunity Anthony.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 10 Jul 2023 07:44
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
If you look at Shes a Pearl's ped from:
(i) a Tesio perspective - She's linebred to Collision https:/ CLICK HERE at 94% within 5 gens thru her sires dam Aston Elle & also to Brett Lee https:/ CLICK HERE at 88% within 5 gens if you look at the cross duplications in the blood quota table below ;
(ii) an x Path perspective - she's primarily linebred to Promises Free and backed up by cornerstone brood Temora Lee who's primarily in x to dogs like Big Daddy Cool, Flying Amy, Pure Octane and Queen Lauryn to name a few.
If you put Fernando https:/ CLICK HERE over her Anthony you get from:
(i) a Tesio perspective - https:/ CLICK HERE an 88% nick within 6 gens with Collision & also https:/ CLICK HERE an 88% nick within 6 gens with with Brett Lee if you look at the cross duplications in the blood quota table below;
(ii) an x Path perspective - primary linebreeding in x to Tranquil Flame who's primarily in x to dogs like Postman Pat, Falcons Fury & Poke the Bear.
Therefore I quite like Fernando over Pearl as line breeding in x to Tranquil Flame can add a load of pace if it clicks, it's unfortunately just not how Shes a Pearl herself is linebred in x.
So I went looking for Promises Free linebreeding in x backed up by Temora Lee.
Like Sandro I thought I'd found one in My Redeemer unfortunately Awesome Assassin trumped in in the x path, and similar to Darren I found myself questioning whether to run with the Tranquil Flame x path or just keep looking to preserve the same or similar breeding path with which Shes a Pearl herself was bred.
I personally would keep looking to maintain that same breeding integrity she carries through both Tesio and the x path, but it may be a waste of time and not even attainable.
All that work, with Fernando staring you in the face. Easy/obvious option is Fernando for the reasons stated. Cheers and thanks for the opportunity Anthony.
Ahhh, there's nothing like hedging bets...
Andy, go with your heart or at least get the owner's to decide. All this is doing is confusing the issue. I'm sure there's already a straw put away for the big day.
Good Luck!
Anthony Lord Australia (Verified User) Posts 39 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Jul 2023 08:00
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thanks fellas to be honest I really wanted to go to fernando I have a few straws but then thought Tommy shelby or Bernardo young sires thinking Id hate to miss the first time and judging by there big litters there semen quality is good surprised Tommy hasnt been given more thought its good to get peoples thoughts on the science side of things and even my way best to the best and hope for the best.
David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 10 Jul 2023 17:39
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Andy,
If she throws anything half as good as her you'd have to be happy, and let's be honest, one aspect/dilemma that many breeders face, which you/the owners won't encounter is - selling the pups. As we know any pups she has will be either be kept or "pre-sold" for an extremely high value, so from that perspective I don't think it matters whom you/the owners select.
Given her lines, and looking at those suitable sires that have thrown extremely fast offspring, I would suggest that if you opt for truly "cemented" sires then apart from Fernando Bale, i'd say Zambora Brockie is the dog; I can see why David Brasch mentioned KC And All, but are there any available straws? The fairly obvious choice would be Fernando Bale, and as you mentioned, you have straws already, further, it is hard to argue "with your way" ...best to the best and hope for the best.
Jumping the gun a bit, I thought if Fernando Bale was used, then this looked an interesting future match-up. Possibly too intense for some, but looks intriguing on paper - https:/ CLICK HERE
If you/the owners personally like young less established sires such as Tommy Shelby, Bernardo, Wow or even outside the box sires such as - Plaintiff or Incapacited, then go for it - all fast dogs in their own right, and afterall, you know the bitch better than anyone.
Irrespective of which sire is finally selected, I wish you and the owners all the very best.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 11 Jul 2023 01:34
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Ill have a crack Anthony. I guess most people would think its a good problem to have. But with high expectations it could be a bit of a headache. For intensity with blood relations up close who are proven both racing and breeding, these sires also offer an outcross being Aston Rupee and Orson Allen. With the success of BL and Collision with her dam line and WP also producing top class offspring , I think having WP or Collision in the chosen sire in X could be beneficial. Her own breeding has Hallucinate in X. Allen Deed is a very interesting and could be something special but I also like Wow, My Bro Fabio, or Dundee Osprey. You could do some intense line breeding and go to Zulu Zeus but Im not suggesting , however something similar did give up Cawbourne Power. Of course you can always go best to best and go to Fernando . Hope my ten suggestions makes it easier for you. Anyway all the best whatever you decide and congratulations on doing a great job with her and having the chance to breed a litter. Cheers
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 714 Dogs 11 / Races 25 11 Jul 2023 02:50
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Seeing a few people are having a crack at this, I thought I'd throw my two bobs worth in.
Very nice Michael, well picked up. It doesnt always have to be obvious. But obvious why Brashy suggested KC and all.and hes well placed in that mating. Cheers
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 11 Jul 2023 06:39
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The greatest dilemma with finding a suitable sire for She's A Pearl is most of them have less ability than she herself has. That's why the GOAT is probably her best option
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Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 01 Aug 2023 20:55
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I see this wonderful girl is retiring. What a bitch, what a career, what a training effort, what a future breeding career, what sire first?
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 714 Dogs 11 / Races 25 01 Aug 2023 22:34
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I'm glad they've decided to pull the pin on Pearl as she'll be four years old in October and I think she should be remembered for what she was; one of the all-time greats.
Before immediately sending her off to Fernando, I wonder if her connections have contacted the owners of her very talented sister (She's Salacious) who has a 15 month old litter by Fernando to see how they've broken-in?
I know it's no guarantee, one way or the other, about how FB x SAP pups will go, but it might just give a slight inkling whether the bloodlines click or not.
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1225 Dogs 13 / Races 0 02 Aug 2023 00:14
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To Fernando it will . If she has the ability to throw a pup .
91% saturation levels being reintroduced with Dusty rapid making it within 8 gens if Im reading it correct ? Benjamin John , second stage and princess diro in 6 gens .
Why wouldnt you chase this particular reinforcement ,It resulted in a 75% GRP performing litter to Brett lee .
Whether you believe in best to best or follow science and numbers , its a good mating Personally I prefer logic and reason over luck .
This mating will have both . 25-30k per pup Im guessing after her litter sister throws city pups with the same mating .
Good to watch it all unfold over the next few years !
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 02 Aug 2023 01:59
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EXTERNAL LINK It's a nice testmating and would launch his stud career with a boom
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