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Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 Mar 2024 07:59
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Paul Dicks wrote:
This is a personal observation and I am happy to be proven wrong. Would it be too harsh to say we are seeing some of the weakest racing we've seen in decades? On a number of levels it seems broken. So much squib racing over 300m and less. A ridiculous amount of fighters and non chasers. Small fields, with some dogs just making up the numbers. Group racing being its weakest in decades. It could be a symptom of the breeding down turn a few years ago. Hopefully it's not systemic, because it puts the industry in a bad light.
Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Mar 2024 06:12
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Hi Paul. You are spot on , Albion Park today ,A twelve race meeting , All twelve races are run over the 331 mt distance , who wants to go and see a very boring meeting like this. Another point i would like an answering , who the hell is breeding all these week greyhounds that are unable to run up to about 640 mt.
Year on Year the breed is getting worse in regards to their staying ability, never seen so many short distance hounds about the tracks .
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 29 Mar 2024 04:24
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Roger- If you look at the breeding of most of the dogs being raced over the shorts you will see that all the Studs were fast 500 to 700 m dogs & most of the Dams were the same. Its not the breeders you need to change its the Trainers. A lot of them just race short distances 3 & 4 times a fortnight & why not if they are happy with provincial prize money. However if they want to go in Group & Feature races they will have to start training
Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 29 Mar 2024 18:55
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Grant- You are right about the Stud Dogs being fast over the 500 but way off the mark saying they were fast over the 700. Out of all the Pups and dogs for sale in Australia at the moment, these are the facts, from over forty Stud dogs used only two of them won over further than 600 mt 1 Houdini Boy 2 Mister Harlewood
Of the other 38 only 6 had won a race at further than 535 mt.
Add in the fact that a lot of hounds today are born from bitches that could not stay 500 mts on your fast tracks.
In Ireland 480 mt on slower tracks is like 500mt in Australia ' In Ireland and UK the old grass tracks were even slower, not many breeders would think of breeding from a bitch that could not run good over 480 mt.
Also Stud Dogs that were good over the 500 mt and even better over the 700 plus were used a lot more, one of the best was second in the Derby before breaking the 850 record at Hove
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 31 Mar 2024 19:59
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roger spry wrote:
Grant- You are right about the Stud Dogs being fast over the 500 but way off the mark saying they were fast over the 700. Out of all the Pups and dogs for sale in Australia at the moment, these are the facts, from over forty Stud dogs used only two of them won over further than 600 mt 1 Houdini Boy 2 Mister Harlewood
Of the other 38 only 6 had won a race at further than 535 mt.
Add in the fact that a lot of hounds today are born from bitches that could not stay 500 mts on your fast tracks.
In Ireland 480 mt on slower tracks is like 500mt in Australia ' In Ireland and UK the old grass tracks were even slower, not many breeders would think of breeding from a bitch that could not run good over 480 mt.
Also Stud Dogs that were good over the 500 mt and even better over the 700 plus were used a lot more, one of the best was second in the Derby before breaking the 850 record at Hove
Vulturi sires the most impressive winner of the elite Golde Easter Egg series - EXTERNAL LINK
Anyone thinks Australia lead the way in breeding need to get their hand off it! The Irish and the U.S. leave us for dead. Were the biggest soft c@ck nation. All we do is play the lottery ticket with a handful of commercial sires and get a long line of mediocrity!
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 31 Mar 2024 21:20
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So it's all about Vulturi ???
Forget all about that great AUSSIE DAMLINE known for producing strength and multiple group winners for decades !!!!
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 31 Mar 2024 23:15
Spiral nikita,was a very ordinary sire in Australia when you compare to the amount of bitches & class of bitch. I would say he is even more disappointing with 2nd generation. But has left cosmic rumble.
Roger Spry United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 69 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Apr 2024 13:33
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Easter Monday Bank Holiday 12 race meeting at Cannington. 8 races run over the 275 mt . Not a good advert for greyhound racing fans that turned up at the Stadium , some maybe for the first time .
What is behind the thinking of any racing manager to put on a poor meeting like this.
I can remember the days when three 900 races were put on a eight race meeting , why is all this short distance racing taking place ? Who is at fault ? Is it the racing manager? . The Trainers? The breeders ?
I would like to hear what other long time Greyhound supporters think
Spiral nikita,was a very ordinary sire in Australia when you compare to the amount of bitches & class of bitch. I would say he is even more disappointing with 2nd generation. But has left cosmic rumble.
He may not have been a great sire himself even though he also produced the likes of Oaks Road, Bo Frazier and Talks Cheap
However, as a generational sire, I think you are wrong.
As a grandsire and great grandsire he has been an enormous influence leaving dogs like Magic Sprite that are ongoing in our breeding generation
Going by my stats he is involved in the damlines of over 50% of superior dogs in this country
Premier Fantasy isn't far behind him also and he was a UK bred dog with some USA influence
Both SN & PF are two of the most significant Irish/UK outcross influences in our generations here since Waverly Supreme
Now a dog like KC And All can take the mantle, whose great son Bernardo actually has PF in his damline via Fear Zafonic and nicks well with bitches with Spiral in their damline
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 01 Apr 2024 19:59
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From memory when Razordot was doing his city winning sires strike rate. Both Spiral Nikita and Premier Fantasy were neck and neck with Brett Lee.
Weve got the brilliant Smooth Plane atm picking up on Spiral Nikita in his pedigree through an outcross sire. As part of his ability. Which sees Smooth Plane racing style very much in the mold of Spiral Nikita.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15483 Dogs 0 / Races 1 01 Apr 2024 23:16
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Interesting, pestana a very good dog not used that much in Australia.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 01 Apr 2024 23:40
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But, a quick look at the breeders that have used him Jack. Shows they see plenty of merit in him!
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