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Michael Hickmott Australia (Verified User) Posts 261 Dogs 9 / Races 28 20 Feb 2009 22:03
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As I am relatively new into greyhound racing i would like to get peoples opinions on maturity or racing dogs and pups.
Growing up in the thoroughbred industry and now training successfully myself i have observed many thoroughbreds that are only moderate as young horses but coming back after a good spell improve to race very well.
I have now seen this first hand in the greyhound world, the first litter of pups i bred April 2007 - Surf Lorian x Poptart(Awesome Assassin x Speed Dancer). This litter broke in just above ordinary. They are now finding their feet and running very quick times over 500m.
Are people to quick to condemn pups at 12-14 months of age if they can't run blistering times over 300-400m??
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 02 Dec 2021 09:11
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An old post but a valid question, Are there any sires generally throwing late bloomers? I heard in the past Lochinvar Marlows were but wouldn't know first hand.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 02 Dec 2021 10:35
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Mr Caruthers told me that sometimes Magic Sprites pups take a bit of time to mature Simon. Cheers Ted.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 02 Dec 2021 21:03
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I think My Bro Fabio's can take a bit of work before they hit their straps
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 03 Dec 2021 10:42
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I've purchased a pup from a "late maturing bitch" last year. Let me tell you I'd much rather have a pup break in fast and get faster, than have a plodder that takes 20 starts for the penny to drop. Late Maturer is just another excuse for a dog bum to give a slug more chances than they probably deserve.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 03 Dec 2021 18:29
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Are they actually late maturing or just havent been given the time to mature. I see many pups being Broken in at 12 and 14 months which IMO is too early to start with. Then when a pup does break in OK its on the track the following month chasing the dollar. If rearing is done properly then there shouldnt be much left to do at break in. IMO far too many pups are sent to the breakers with no idea what their there for which can ruin a pup before they get to the track. In this day pups need to be well educated to toys and lures and drags well before break in. You dont teach a dog to sit at 16 months. The break in is basically boxing and maybe some other minor adjustments. If a pup is not doing well in first couple of weeks at break in then your better off taking them back home and spend some more time with them building their confidence rather then forcing them through break in. Ive also learnt and was told buy a very astute dog man never to give up on a pup before 28 months of age. This I found to be true. JMO. Cheers
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 03 Dec 2021 20:09
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Good post Michael, I see a fair few younger dogs on here going cheap or giveaway that would be worth a shot for someone with time and patience. On a personal note some dogs in a litter I've bred are just starting to show some signs of improvement after turning two in October and a bit like Dicksy has said but some people move them on others persist.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19486 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 03 Dec 2021 20:46
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
I think My Bro Fabio's can take a bit of work before they hit their straps
Should have added, but the bulk of them are prolific at 600m or more, if thats what you are looking for
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 03 Dec 2021 22:51
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A great idea when rearing pups is to have an old starting box or something similar in a safe position in the rearing yard. You will be surprised how quickly new pups want to investigate and soon become familiar with the box walking through without hesitation. Cheers
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Dec 2021 23:47
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michael worth wrote:
A great idea when rearing pups is to have an old starting box or something similar in a safe position in the rearing yard. You will be surprised how quickly new pups want to investigate and soon become familiar with the box walking through without hesitation. Cheers
Been doing that for years Michael. (Thought every rearer would do it by now)
What about a thread "Late Maturing Trainers"? Lol
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 04 Dec 2021 01:30
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Unfortunately not everyone thinks about the dogs brain Terry. Ive been to plenty of rearing establishments and never seen boxes in the yard. Also IMO I dont think you should leave toys with pups all the time as they will just ignore them after a while until the other pups play. I like to give them a game with a toy/lure usually on a fishing rod just before meal times. 5 to 10 minutes is enough and I like to have to fight to get it off them and leave them wanting more. The food will quickly take their mind of it but after a couple of days they will be looking for it before the food. Suspect you wouldnt have many issues at break in Terry. I know sometimes though you do get the odd one that just doesnt want to play the game no matter what you do and they are simply pets. Cheers
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Dec 2021 03:39
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michael worth wrote:
Unfortunately not everyone thinks about the dogs brain Terry. Ive been to plenty of rearing establishments and never seen boxes in the yard. Also IMO I dont think you should leave toys with pups all the time as they will just ignore them after a while until the other pups play. I like to give them a game with a toy/lure usually on a fishing rod just before meal times. 5 to 10 minutes is enough and I like to have to fight to get it off them and leave them wanting more. The food will quickly take their mind of it but after a couple of days they will be looking for it before the food. Suspect you wouldnt have many issues at break in Terry. I know sometimes though you do get the odd one that just doesnt want to play the game no matter what you do and they are simply pets. Cheers
Every one gets that odd one who doesn't want to be a greyhound Michael, no matter what. Try convincing the 1st time owner that this can/does occur occasionally. Good luck as they are expecting Champions.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 04 Dec 2021 05:57
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Paul Dicks wrote:
I've purchased a pup from a "late maturing bitch" last year. Let me tell you I'd much rather have a pup break in fast and get faster, than have a plodder that takes 20 starts for the penny to drop. Late Maturer is just another excuse for a dog bum to give a slug more chances than they probably deserve.
Hey Paul ,whats the name of your pup. Ill keep an eye out for it. Fernando Bale X ???????. Please tell me you forked out and went with a Fernando pup. Whats the dams name. Cheers
Steven John Lloyd United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 51 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Dec 2021 06:28
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The post would be better headlined I have a Greyhound but I havent got a clue what Im doing For anyone whos been around or dealt with Superior Speed animals will know they show it an early stage in their life or upbringing. Humans are the same they will show excellence & superiority around others @ the same age. Its life , but when you come across an Animal / or Human who shows this ability its all about channeling it in the correct direction. A Greyhound whos trialing in a second faster ( 12 lengths) than anything youve ever had , a 7 year old child who has an iq of 160 , or a Horse whos working 10 lengths faster than anything youve had previously. Patience & composure, plus Quality attention to detail & the right balance will help the individual to attain its ultimate performance.
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 04 Dec 2021 06:44
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Exactly Steve, they say the fastest kid in kindergarten will most likely be the fastest kid in year 12 . Cheers
Frank Muldowney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 423 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Dec 2021 21:37
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if you have a fast pup you can always ease up on him
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 05 Dec 2021 03:11
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michael worth wrote:
Paul Dicks wrote:
I've purchased a pup from a "late maturing bitch" last year. Let me tell you I'd much rather have a pup break in fast and get faster, than have a plodder that takes 20 starts for the penny to drop. Late Maturer is just another excuse for a dog bum to give a slug more chances than they probably deserve.
Hey Paul ,whats the name of your pup. Ill keep an eye out for it. Fernando Bale X ???????. Please tell me you forked out and went with a Fernando pup. Whats the dams name. Cheers
No it's not a FB. She's by supposed next super sire ADB. Pfft he isn't within cooee of the great dog, completely over rated. She had a run on Friday, might jag a maiden in Townsville and then off to GAP.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 05 Dec 2021 04:16
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Steven John Lloyd wrote:
.......A Greyhound whos trialing in a second faster ( 12 lengths).....
they go 16 lens per second here Steven....assuming that's a typo?
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 05 Dec 2021 04:43
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1 second = 15 lengths !
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 05 Dec 2021 05:00
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