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Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 15 Mar 2021 12:29
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Larry Valenti wrote:
1. Geelong 2. Richmond 3. Brisbane 4. Port Adelaide 5. Fremantle 6. St.kilda 7. Western Bulldogs 8. Collingwood
Adding 1st coach to go Buckley and did i hear correctly that Carlton have given their coach the ultimatum finals or your fired . What a shit board if so .
My top 8 its only pre season but I'm interested even if no other bugger is ...
Adelaide North Melbourne To finish bottom
Nat fyfe again
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 15 Mar 2021 17:35
Been waiting for these questions to pose to you jamie for a long time , from when I learnt the giants had 51 top 5 draft picks to Fremantle's 4 in the same period of time . Would you say the exercise of the existence of the giants is a fail , a pass , a success. Is one of those marks a reflection on the coach . Finally are you a giants supporter because of warrnambool territory. Who was your previous afl team before the existence of the giants say the Bulldogs maybe. I'd love to know what makes a giants fan , because to me they we given everything and didn't deliver enough thus far . They went from underdogs to underachievers in their beginnings and losing Jeremy Cameron has really exposed their lack of culture now .
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 16 Mar 2021 02:02
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I know very well how you and most others feel about the draft picks Larry and I think we've covered this ground fairly well. All I will say is that the AFL decided to add 2 teams. Both had heavy handed draft concessions. Gold Coast chose to trade a lot of theirs away in return for players. GWS held onto theirs. Coming last for a few years meant we got more top picks. Then other clubs came for our young guns, Taylor Adams, Adam Treloar, Dylan Shiel etc and that gave us more top picks. So yes the AFL gave them a heap early on and lately we have gained them by trading. In comparison to the Gold Coast, I would say GWS has succeeded in becoming an established team, whereas the GC could fold any time. But the ultimate level of success is premierships and that means the GWS Giants have failed. I honestly believe they should have won a flag by now. And I think a Clarko or a Dimma would have taken this team to 2 flags by now so yes indeed, it is a reflection on the coaching staff. I heard a stat last year that said GWS was the easiest team to score 5 goals in a row against. That is clearly a leadership problem. As most already know, I was a Richmond supporter. I dumped them when they sold a home game to Gold Coast, which was played in Cairns, and they lost. That was before GWS was in the comp but because Sheedy was announced as coach and Israel Folau was signed, and because I like orange and charcoal, but mostly because I was playing footy in NSW at the time, I signed up as a foundation member of the Giants. And to answer the next question, I enjoyed Richmond winning in 2017. Nobody saw it coming and it was good for their supporters. In the same way, I'd like to see the Saints and the Dees and yes, even the Dockers win a flag. But 2019 wasn't enjoyable and now I'm sick of the Tigers, like I was sick of the Hawks, like I was sick of the Cats, like I was sick of the Lions. I tipped the Dogs because Treloar will take a heap of pressure off the Bont. Losing Jezza has nothing to do with culture. Every club was after Coniglio and Kelly and Toby and Whitfield, we managed to keep them. Jezza obvioulsy got a set-for-life offer and good luck to him.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 16 Mar 2021 04:49
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Well that went better than I thought, thanks . With Jeremy Cameron I meant losing him was the straw that broke the camels back as far as culture goes, I saw him as a cult figure. In my opinion what got to him was being in the wrong hub , and for personal reasons I he didn't want to face that again. Fyfe didn't sell out neither did pavlich . Lachie negle did , can't stand those turncoats , even buddy i wouldn't want to see him as a power forward at Fremantle now , even though we need him . Put my faith in Alex peace if gets thrown forward .
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 16 Mar 2021 07:26
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Honestly I don't think Jeremy Cameron was as good as the footy world made him out to be. And I say that as someone who has watched a lot of GWS games, not just saw 'J.Cameron 5 goals' on the stats. He only won the Coleman that year because his mates fed him the footy against Gold Coast, knowing he needed 7 to beat Ben Brown. He doesn't take pack marks. A lot of his goals come from loose balls over the back. Of course, he does win games, he attracts 2 defenders and he is a very good set shot. Any club would want him. But I'm not sure he is the making or breaking of GWS. I would pick Toby Greene in my side before Jeremy Cameron.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 23 Mar 2021 04:29
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Fremantle's Rory lobby is out for the first half of the season. Who's going jump into his position and become a ready made key position forward overnight. Alex Pearce may fit the bill , he was pushing for all Australian selection before a horrible run of injuries that have seen him out for a long time . Who really cares it's only Fremantle i hear you say . Did you notice in last week's round of practice matches there was 24 injuries, that's 1 and a 1/3 per team , a staggering amount of players dropping. What's caused this , a deficit in the fitness of players due to last seasons trimming of crucial fitness staff because of covid 19 , shortened quarters last year and crammed fixtures took the game into uncharted waters . However you dissect the conundrum we maybe in for one hell of a year on the injury front . Unless its my imagination there also seems to be a lot of players getting to the end of their careers too . Pretty sure the Eagles have quite a few .
Well freo did play Pearce forward, even though they said they wouldn't right up to the first bounce . After a long time out of the game he quickly broke down again, after looking lost up forward. Its hard to see freo bouncing back this week against the giants, but I bet they do. Who's going to tip them ? My next prediction for their forward line is Liam Henry he'll kick 4 or 5 and be this rounds rising star award winner .
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1627 Dogs 2993 / Races 11820 23 Mar 2021 09:51
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Maguire will quit West Tigers why would he say ? overpriced players, unmotivated players and bludgers who wont have a go, OR just DUMB
Ray Brown Australia (Team Member) Posts 6226 Dogs 8 / Races 5 28 Mar 2021 19:02
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Rod Hampton wrote:
Maguire will quit West Tigers why would he say ? overpriced players, unmotivated players and bludgers who wont have a go, OR just DUMB
Well it certainly worked, so perhaps he knew what he was doing and he is going nowhere!
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Mar 2021 20:46
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RAY BROWN wrote:
Rod Hampton wrote:
Maguire will quit West Tigers why would he say ? overpriced players, unmotivated players and bludgers who wont have a go, OR just DUMB
Well it certainly worked, so perhaps he knew what he was doing and he is going nowhere!
Ray, i've started a "Go Fund Me" page to raise funds to allow Henry Perenara to have life long vision check-ups at OPSM.
I suppose "Blood is Thicker than Water". (Go Bro's).
Great win by the West Tigers yesterday. And even better to see your Mob decimate those those those Headless Chooks.
They (NRL) have made to many changes, sped the game up to much. If a team get a run on, it's become impossible to stem the tide.
Ray Brown Australia (Team Member) Posts 6226 Dogs 8 / Races 5 29 Mar 2021 01:59
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Yes Terry, they have made the game so fast they I think that will need 20 players, not 17, because it now a war of attrition.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 31 Mar 2021 22:30
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Potential for what? Fyfe we know about. Mundy is 50 years old. Walters is a fwd pocket. Conca and Acres are rejects and the others I've never heard of. I reckon Freo will be strugglesville for a few years yet.
Age shall not weary them . Player of the round David Mundy...
Yes the 50 year old played well. And well done to you too Larry for picking up my innacurate statement. Excellent piece of trolling.
By the way, did you see Ross Lyon was spotted at a coffee shop in Parramatta?
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 01 Apr 2021 01:41
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I am now a firm believer of former players stepping into the role of coaching and managing their players at their clubs . Hopefully what has taken place at Fremantle will start a trend. Who could step into those roles at GWS ? Like I said before losing Jeremy Cameron was the last straw for gws , if you have to lose players because of salary cap issues, you lose them from the midfield, not super forwards. Having said that who could step into football manger role because whoever is there now is hopeless, all your players are now with other clubs. Who could be coach because the one that's there now is losing belief, who could be CEO because whoever is there now is overseeing a bunch of misfits. Shane mumford , Stevie J , Heath Shaw there's got be some names out there that get in there and lift the culture and create morale. I mean every time any sporting club tuns to youth it starts a feeling of enthusiasm straight away.
Damien Hardwick 2020, 2019, 2017 Adam Simpson 2018. Luke Beveridge 2016. Alastair Clarkson 2015, 2014, 2013, 2008. John Longmire 2012. Chris Scott 2011. Mick Malthouse 2010. Mark Thompson 2009, 2007. John Worsfold 2006. Aha, there's one who was a former player at his club. Maybe you're onto something Larry.
Heres a question for you. Do you think Lance Franklin is one of the greatest players ever? Or do we just say that because he's indigenous? Or because of his mental instability? Are we just trying to be nice? I mean, yes he is incredibly talented and brilliant and a match winner. Or should I say, he was. But I would put Plugger Lockett ahead by a fair way. Ablett Snr, Dunstall, Lloyd, Carey. If I had to pick a 'greatest' team of the last 40 years, Buddy wouldn't get a game. But I've heard people say he's the G.O.A.T Nonsense.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Apr 2021 05:20
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Quinny: Don't poke the "Purple People Eater"!
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 01 Apr 2021 05:54
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Larry Valenti wrote:
I am now a firm believer of former players stepping into the role of coaching and managing their players at their clubs . Hopefully what has taken place at Fremantle will start a trend. Who could step into those roles at GWS ? Like I said before losing Jeremy Cameron was the last straw for gws , if you have to lose players because of salary cap issues, you lose them from the midfield, not super forwards. Having said that who could step into football manger role because whoever is there now is hopeless, all your players are now with other clubs. Who could be coach because the one that's there now is losing belief, who could be CEO because whoever is there now is overseeing a bunch of misfits. Shane mumford , Stevie J , Heath Shaw there's got be some names out there that get in there and lift the culture and create morale. I mean every time any sporting club tuns to youth it starts a feeling of enthusiasm straight away.
" i am now a firm believer of former players stepping into the role of coaching and managing their players at their clubs " " now " Jamie your talking yesteryear or last century with those coaches. I've watched tom dick and Harry coach Fremantle and the only time I've felt this coach has got a handle on this is Gerard Neesham and Justin Longmuir, both ex East Fremantle and Fremantle players respectively . Peter Bell now football manger duel premiership player duel all Australian. afl hall of famer . Watch him walking around the dockers rooms giving advice along with nat fyfe and you will always see Justin Longmuir their as well , sorry but I don't see Cameron in the gws rooms. Gerard Neesham yes full on absolutely dedicated. He is still CEO at clontarf college set up to improve the life of indigenous players by getting them to participate in school to be able to participate in football he monitors all Western Australian indigenous players. This is the nucleus of Fremantle nowadays.
Yesteryear? Last century? Are you sure? The way I read it, I mentioned the coach who has won 3 of the last 4 flags and the coach who won the other flag and the coach who won the flag before he won his first..... And you talking Gerard Neesham???
Crikey, give me hot and cold anyday.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2142 Dogs 3 / Races 0 01 Apr 2021 22:46
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The point is Gerard Neesham was genuinely invested in Fremantle so now is Justin Longmuir. All the other coaches that coached Fremantle did it for the $$$ there in lies the difference and in my opinion the way to go . BTW on a different subject, what's with Collingwood choking all the time .
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