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Fernando Bale bitchespage  1 2 

Adam Hatcher
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Hi.
In recent times I don't see many Fernando Bales bitches racing.
There is plenty of males and rarely any females. That's in Sydney and Melbourne.
Makes me wonder why?
He certainly throws his share of winners, just wondering are they mainly males.
What are the best females he has thrown?


Scott Tyson
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I have bred a litter to Fernando x prancing Tiger and all the bitches were hard chasers and could run time
But I have brought Fernando bale bitch pups out of city winning bitches and have had no luck very timid and very limited ability the last lot were a repeat mating to hot up and coming stayer five star have my doubts any will make the track and if you have a look at all the bitches out of the 2 litters all legless and majority wont race
All that aside I will definitely use him again with the right bitch


Kerry Griffin
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I have a Fernando Bale / Getty bale bitch racing at present. Racing At Townsville "Inconsequential" since mid January 11 wins including winning last 3 starts. Wins have been over 634 498 and 380


Michael Barry
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this bitch goes ok
She's Got Wheels


Adam Hatcher
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Im sure he has produced many good bitches.
But recently there isnt many racing .
Most Fernandos racing are males.
With the amount of litters he has racing I thought Id see more.
They are very limited.
Over the years what has been hes best bitches to race?


Terry Hines
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Ok so we know theres heaps of Fernando bitches out their ... what breeding line or lines will suit them,


Hayden Gilders
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Greyhound data stats show 11 bitches in Fernandos top 50 off spring

3 of those bitches out of Chica Destacada by cosmic rumble


Hayden Gilders
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Greyhound data stats show 11 bitches in Fernandos top 50 off spring

3 of those bitches out of Chica Destacada



Graham Moscow
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Spring Cleo
She won again last week at Ipswich. I think thats win is number 23 or 24




Nathan Bendeich
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adam hatcher wrote:

Hi.
In recent times I don't see many Fernando Bales bitches racing.
There is plenty of males and rarely any females. That's in Sydney and Melbourne.
Makes me wonder why?
He certainly throws his share of winners, just wondering are they mainly males.
What are the best females he has thrown?

Hi Adam
This has been discussed previously and always ends prematurely due to nothing less then ignorance , disappointing really as good or bad information even if only opinionated, can lead to an answer or at least guidance for someone .

He was a top if not the best chaser ever seen , he throws champions also !
No one denies these qualities and achievements

Personally we have all seen and heard them that much it really doesnt need to be echoed to a point where it turns from due accolades to blatant stupidity and glorification...... heres why and maybe an answer to your question Adam

Why ?

He does all the things mentioned above like all the great sires , he also has some awful flaws in his offspring , also like every sire !

Having reared offspring from 4 different broods (which is enough to get a fair judgment) the 2 worst habits or traits are

1.Size
2. Temperament

One of these issues could imop cause or enhance the percentages in being detrimental more so to the female offspring as apposed to the males which are seemingly a suited weight or size for some of our tight turning small tracks ie Wenty , Gosford , Gardens and Dubbo

Put them on one turn tracks or big tracks like Richmond , they become a lesser dog

Ive said before a standard dog imop is 30-33kg , with Fernando this becomes 27-30kg
This means in general the bitches have gone from 26-29kg to under 26 and well under , Ive even heard 21kg

What happens now Adam is everyone likes to bring out the 1 champion bitch from 1970 that was 25kg and says it works ! And nothing wrong with this

All Ill say is go get 10 bitches under 25 kg and see how well you fair on the circuit
Coz you wont , and thats even with all the help of short course racing now

Theyll get belted and broken and wont run 300 on average let alone make city and run 500 mtr even with the assistance of the Sydney city track favouring the smaller framed lid pinging runner

Bad Temperament can stop any dog from reaching its peak
I havent experienced a level headed calm natured pup yet from him .
Cheeky , darting in and out (high edgy ) biting fingers , timid etc
Do get better in time but with maturing

Common sense for me Adam as to why his successors are so lopsided to one or the other ! And to why its more detrimental to the females

Poeple point the finger at breeders for any detriment to the game or breed
But theres more involved then that , starting from the office where races and grading gets decided down to breeders being cornered in their own market to what buyers only want ....... Fernando or Barcia

And the winners are the big fellas with big numbers

Cheers



Adam Hatcher
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Nathan.
That makes a lot sense.
The reason I started this post was I just recently purchased a Fernando Bale pup.
A red fawn bitch.
Then after my purchase I started searching for some of his bitches racing and was surprised with the amount of dogs he has racing ,the females are very limited.
Im just a hobby owner who buys a pup every now and then.
I think he is an amazing sire but with the amount of litters and quality bitches he has he should get the winners he does.


Terry Hines
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01 Aug 2021 21:28


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Terry Hines wrote:

Ok so we know theres heaps of Fernando bitches out their ... what breeding line or lines will suit them,

We do know they can be a bit timid and can be a bit on the small side ...



Graham Moscow
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01 Aug 2021 22:20


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GData Top 100 racers of

Fernando Bale 26 females - 74 male
Barcia Bale 31 females - 69 male
Fabregas 36 females - 64 male





Nathan Bendeich
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Graham Moscow wrote:

GData Top 100 racers of

Fernando Bale 26 females - 74 male
Barcia Bale 31 females - 69 male
Fabregas 36 females - 64 male

And what is the Total offspring ratio graham ?

Pretty sure Fernando wouldnt lack or be unders in offspring volume

My quick estimates are from 2018-2019 that are of racing age

Fernando 450 litters
Barcia 330 litters
Fabregas 150 litters

Stats show he has more then 20% more potential volume (Pending litter sizes) then closest next sire yet sits at the bottom of the table with the 3 noted sires

Opinions can vary but stats dont lie ......... hence Adams query and my response




Scott Tyson
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Hi Nathan you are spot on in your assessment


Adam Hatcher
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Its not until you read his top 100 list do you actually see how dominating his males are compared to the females.
Just my opinion.

My take on it is he doesn't throw a lot of good bitches with the numbers hed have out there.


John Patrick Falvey
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The same applied to
Bombastic shiraz and to a lesser extent Brett lee females from memory



Tony Gallagher
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Hi Adam, with the dogs registered on GD the figures are:

We have records of 3320 pups by Fernando Bale

Male Female
1621 1699

https:/ CLICK HERE



Graham Moscow
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Terry Hines wrote:

Ok so we know theres heaps of Fernando bitches out their ... what breeding line or lines will suit them,

Good question Terry.
Taking size into main consideration. A sire thats 33kg plus. I think Fabregas or his son Pindari maybe well suited to FB bitches that are 25kg or less. EGS ? Maybe



Ryan Vanderwert
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does the damline of FB bitch not matter at all?

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