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Richard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2231 Dogs 11 / Races 9 29 Aug 2014 07:36
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I use Darren Murray, great muscle man and good bloke to boot. He recomended DMSO for my dog and worked great. I (and the dog) didnt mind a lay-off for a week or so as well.. Cheers Rich.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 29 Aug 2014 08:24
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Have used the turps and brine and found it brilliant but use turps and mixed brine 2to 1 and brushed it on myselfwith no pain at all. Each to his own. Ted
Peter Hooper Australia (Verified User) Posts 270 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Aug 2014 09:42
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I think turps and brine works great and if used correctly isn't too hard on the dog, but each to their own I suppose.
Karen Repia Australia (Verified User) Posts 755 Dogs 7 / Races 0 29 Aug 2014 09:50
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Carole Brown wrote:
Josh, I agree with Kevin. It can make a horrible mess of the skin.
I have used brine and turps on numerous occasions and it has never damaged the skin.
Josh Cartledge Australia (Verified User) Posts 17 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Aug 2014 09:56
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Thanks for all the advise, i guess it the old each to their own'' i have ordered some ZGS so will try both and shall see which one suits best. its great that everyone is happy to help someone new to this great sport
Nigel Mc Garry Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1240 Dogs 10 / Races 0 29 Aug 2014 10:00
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peter hooper wrote:
I think turps and brine works great and if used correctly isn't too hard on the dog, but each to their own I suppose.
Yes Peter as you say "if used correctly" it's up to the individual treating each dog to use their common sense and judgement when applying any of these products, just like humans some dogs skin can be way more sensitive than others and you need to judge weather 2 days on 3days off is needed instead of 3 on 3 off, I've had ones that needed applications twice a day, and others that after one application was showing signs of irritation, what ever I use I always try not to cause the skin to break
Keith Lloyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 1326 Dogs 54 / Races 3 29 Aug 2014 12:41
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kevin wright wrote:
Josh or you can get yourself some zheng gu shui and DMSO mix 50/50 3 days on 3 days off paint on with a toothbrush . DO NOT RACE WITH DMSO ON YOUR DOG but you can apply zheng gu shui 100% right up to the race without any problems and you can apply zheng gu shui on the days you have off with the DMSO ..
DMSO helps the zheng gu shui absorb so much better and you will be surprised with the results ...
I think if the dog in the next kennel cocks his leg on the injury, there will be more heat applied than zheng gu shui. (it smells better though)
6 parts butchers brine, 4 parts pure gum turps and a few drops of eucalyptus oil. keep it in the coolroom and apply with a tooth brush. OR use that chinese stuff with DSMO in it and run the risk of a positive swab as DSMO builds up in the dogs system, IMHO
Howard Moshinsky USA (Verified User) Posts 886 Dogs 3 / Races 0 29 Aug 2014 16:36
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Howard Gray Australia (Verified User) Posts 2110 Dogs 252 / Races 200 27 Feb 2013 10:35
dale batten wrote:
where would u get gum turpentine and butchers brine from?
Gum Turpentine not to be confused with Mineral Turpentine is available at some hardware stores. Make sure you get the right one Darren.
Butcher's Brine you will need to see your "friendly" butcher who uses it to make corned beef etc. Take your own container, probably best to wait until he makes up a fresh mixture if you don't want the blood and meat bits in it.
Kathryn Bentley Australia (Verified User) Posts 240 Dogs 21 / Races 3 27 Feb 2013 12:02
u can get it from bunning they sell it in with the normal turpentine and i was told howard that the best brine is after they have used it to pickel the corn beef. dont know if that true but i swear by the brine and turp my fibula on dog are fix a very quickly with that.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 29 Aug 2014 19:47
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I've used Iodine and gum turps to make a 50/50 mix b4 and it seems to work fine.
I'm kind of stumped on what qualities BRINE has for the healing process?
What ingredients in BRINE help heal bones?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 29 Aug 2014 20:28
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edward (ted) howard wrote:
Have used the turps and brine and found it brilliant but use turps and mixed brine 2to 1 and brushed it on myselfwith no pain at all. Each to his own. Ted
Ted apply to your balls and then tell me there is no pain .
Now if I was to tell you all that there are products on the market that don't swab and can do the job better than brine and turps would you use it or would you stick to old trusty turps..
Keith Lloyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 1326 Dogs 54 / Races 3 29 Aug 2014 22:07
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Kevin,, Why would you want to apply it to your balls? Try rubbing Odzone to your balls. Try rubbing Penetrene on them. Try rubbing Bone Radial on them. I've still got a bottle of Myaton Cream and wouldn't like that on mine. Even Deep Heat, Voltaren, Finelgan, Feldene All work well in their typical applications and all will have you hopping around the bedroom. Butchers Brine Mix works well and I use it a lot and am happy that I can use it with no fear on getting that "knock on the door"
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 29 Aug 2014 22:39
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keith lloyd wrote:
Kevin,, Why would you want to apply it to your balls? Try rubbing Odzone to your balls. Try rubbing Penetrene on them. Try rubbing Bone Radial on them. I've still got a bottle of Myaton Cream and wouldn't like that on mine. Even Deep Heat, Voltaren, Finelgan, Feldene All work well in their typical applications and all will have you hopping around the bedroom. Butchers Brine Mix works well and I use it a lot and am happy that I can use it with no fear on getting that "knock on the door"
Now if I ever considered applying these products Keith on my balls I can tell you the Butchers brine would make me jump and swear far worse than any other products .
My dogs don't jump around and roll around on the ground and shaking there leg for 20 min with any of those products but Turps and brine does create so much discomfort that I feel sorry for the dog
There is many many PRODUCTS and Machines ( Lasers .Magnetic pulse ..Ultrasound )THAT WILL DO THE JOB FAR BETTER THAN TURPS .
Now if we did a blind study on 10 dogs all with the same injury and we used 10 Different ways to treat the injury and we had 7 days to treat it and if all of those products worked the same with the same results and some with better results would you still inflict pain to a greyhound for no reason just to say they have been doing this for 100 years and I will continue to do it Or would you say hey this works great and I would now use it .
The problem lies with the trainer not moving with the times and this is not a bad thing but for medical purpose and treatment reasons you have to look at other alternatives and things have progressed so much faster
All I am saying that there are other alternatives but I also say and each to there own and hope you get a winner .
I have no problems with any trainer doing his thing but when you get a first timer Like JOSH asking about products to use then I agree with Carole zheng gu shui is a great and safe and works I just add DMSO to help absorb it but I do not apply DMSO before a race and if the injury is a bone or tendon problem then you are fighting a battle to get him ready in 7 days time with any thing
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 29 Aug 2014 22:55
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Keith the worse thing I have ever experienced was the time I was drunk and some so called buddies decided to put hair removal cream on my balls and trunk ..
The end result was severe burns and many days with a ice pack ..so you could say I do know how much pain some of these creams can inflict onto the skin so I could have this thing about discomfort and the dogs discomfort and thats why when ever I use a treatment that has discomfort I think about those many days on my back with a ice pack . When Mark said Turps felt like ice I thought straight back to how good that ice did feel and it was like heaven ..
I will also say I went onto produce two kids that are a lot smarter than me ..lol
Keith Lloyd Australia (Verified User) Posts 1326 Dogs 54 / Races 3 30 Aug 2014 00:13
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lol. You keep using the products on your balls and I'll keep using butchers on my dogs. Like a lot of things in life, its not what you've got, it how you use it. never had a dog screaming in pain after using my mix.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 30 Aug 2014 00:43
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Topic should have been headed(no pun) BALLS AND BRINE.
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Aug 2014 06:16
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I read some of these comments that make with a smile on my face.
You have to buy the commercial type products there the best ,dont stuff around with the old school stuff , it burns .
For starters put a bit of the brine and OIL OF TURPENTINE mix onto you hand,it doesnt BURN at all.On people no effect And regards the healimg process that you are applying to the dog ,understand it,it has nothing to do with a long term blister. It sends a SHOCK to the healing process that the bone in that area is injured and imediately the body responds by sending repair cells to the are to restructure the bone. It should only be left on for 10 to 15 minutes per treatment and then washed of.
If anyone has doubt about what i say about the healing taking place so soon by the body DO SOME RESEARCH ABOUT BONE HEALING it is sofisticated process done by the body. As soon as bone is broken the body starts a very complex healing process that begings within minutes of a break. ANYONE that is comenting on hear supposing to have knowledge ,back up your learning on the subject first.
Regards comments old school treatments. Ha Most of you propriorty brand treatment are simply people having the nouse to take an old treatment ,package it up in a fancy bottle with a fancy name and sell it to you. 99% of drugs and medications have been derived this way over centuries.
Your fens stuff chinease ,what just discovered last decade you think lol Been around since Ming was a boy. DMSO a brilliant medication right developed by scientists WRONG again
DMSO was\is a byproduct of plastic manufacture that was origanaly a toxic waste that they couldnt get rid of so they stored the stuff in barrels until they could get rid of it. As the barrels rusted and the guys that were handling the stuff found that their aces and pains were going away from leaking DMSO.
I know at least some of you will STILL run off at the mouth and still give me plenty of laughs thanks for that guys lol
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Aug 2014 06:50
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steve woods wrote:
I read some of these comments that make with a smile on my face.
You have to buy the commercial type products there the best ,dont stuff around with the old school stuff , it burns .
For starters put a bit of the brine and OIL OF TURPENTINE mix onto you hand,it doesnt BURN at all.On people no effect And regards the healimg process that you are applying to the dog ,understand it,it has nothing to do with a long term blister. It sends a SHOCK to the healing process that the bone in that area is injured and imediately the body responds by sending repair cells to the are to restructure the bone. It should only be left on for 10 to 15 minutes per treatment and then washed of.
If anyone has doubt about what i say about the healing taking place so soon by the body DO SOME RESEARCH ABOUT BONE HEALING it is sofisticated process done by the body. As soon as bone is broken the body starts a very complex healing process that begings within minutes of a break. ANYONE that is comenting on hear supposing to have knowledge ,back up your learning on the subject first.
Regards comments old school treatments. Ha Most of you propriorty brand treatment are simply people having the nouse to take an old treatment ,package it up in a fancy bottle with a fancy name and sell it to you. 99% of drugs and medications have been derived this way over centuries.
Your fens stuff chinease ,what just discovered last decade you think lol Been around since Ming was a boy. DMSO a brilliant medication right developed by scientists WRONG again
DMSO was\is a byproduct of plastic manufacture that was origanaly a toxic waste that they couldnt get rid of so they stored the stuff in barrels until they could get rid of it. As the barrels rusted and the guys that were handling the stuff found that their aces and pains were going away from leaking DMSO.
I know at least some of you will STILL run off at the mouth and still give me plenty of laughs thanks for that guys lol
Nice stuff Steve and great research ..I must have it wrong then when I see a dog rolling around on his bed and shaking the treated area and it is in pain .
I was told if the dog don't show some kind of reaction to it you don't have it strong enough so maybe people can tell me what way they use so it can give a novice like Josh and myself the correct way because already we have been told differing ways to use briny water.
Now Steve you are spot on about DMSO and I am not disputing this fact but there is no denying the the healing properties of DMSO as being a great treatment for bone and tendons as well as so many other products on the market now . Now more than ever we have some of the greatest choices for treatments either medical or lotions .
I am just giving Josh a choice without the problems he could come across with Briny water because lets face he is a novice and I know many people who leave it on for hours and some don't even remove it at all so now I am told by you that it should be only left on for 10 min so what hope has a novice to do with such conflicting advice .
Tight .Odzon. DMSO ..bone radial and many other products get the results if not better than briny water IMO.
If someone can prove me wrong then I will make a video of myself painting briny water on my Knackers
Luke Davies Australia (Verified User) Posts 10 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Aug 2014 07:00
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What are you using in the ye old Hot Foot(brine & Turps) for Josh? Don't think no ones asked. It works like lots of counter irritants when used on an injury where that's what you want. Does it burn? Yes will it blister if you over do it? Yes does it cost much? No is it better than other products? Yes and No depending on your views just like politics. Would I use or recommend someone to use it? No unless its all they had thier your overflowing treatment cupboard. And to add DMSO comes from paper manufacture. Cheers Luke.
Sean Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 184 Dogs 4 / Races 0 30 Aug 2014 07:12
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Is DMSO still on the market?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Aug 2014 07:15
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Luke Davies wrote:
What are you using in the ye old Hot Foot(brine & Turps) for Josh? Don't think no ones asked. It works like lots of counter irritants when used on an injury where that's what you want. Does it burn? Yes will it blister if you over do it? Yes does it cost much? No is it better than other products? Yes and No depending on your views just like politics. Would I use or recommend someone to use it? No unless its all they had thier your overflowing treatment cupboard. And to add DMSO comes from paper manufacture. Cheers Luke.
Luke great post and you should of posted that first and then it would of saved me the time and I could of been out mowing the lawns and cracking a coldy ...
It also would of saved me explaining about my hair removal cream incident ..lol
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