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Please feel free to start your own topic if you wish, I am asking a straightforward question to Gina, totally on topic, about her views on greyhound racing. She started the thread, I am responding to her.
I think there is enough space here in this topic for Your both (John and Ginas) PingPong and the aktual rehoming problems...
Mr. Moyles I race greyhounds, rear greyhounds, and I also take in greyhounds that need TLC from Gina (PAWS) I really could not care a less whether she is pro or anti all I know she cares for the greyhounds and if it were not for her and others like her god only know what would happen. At the end of the day it is the greyhounds welfare that is the main prioity NOT WHO GETS WHAT FROM THE IGB - this is so childish of you to keep ranting on - the IGB should be contributing more to the welfare not making cuts.
Dave Wood United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 2840 Dogs 14 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 14:37
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Easiest solution would be to MAKE ALL owners pay for the neutering, dental, kenneling etc etc of THEIR dog, this way there would be NO need for funding from any Racing Organisation, IT WOULD however result any many more dogs being PTS by owners that were unwilling to pay for their property.
John.. The people who have taken your dogs in Italy for to find them homes, are they PRO or ANTI Racing or are you not sure!
Dave quite a few owners already do all the vets side of it and keep their greys until the day of the transport. It is my understanding (correct me if I am wrong)that IGB contribute towards the transport of the greys which costs 5,500.00. They used to pay 100 per grey that went on the transport now they are saying they will only contribute 75 per grey GACI or whoever make up the remainder which as it stands leaves 25 per grey to be found by GACI etc., unless alternative authorised transport can be found.
Mr. Moyles, you are a very intelligent man and an excellent professional man, but these qualities may be dangerous for the item of this topics.
GACI is waiting for the decision by IGB. After the decision of IGB, we will decide if we go on in taking IRISH retired greyhounds or not (PAWS/RGT IGB).
At the moment, I am sure about only one thing: "ALL will be VERY difficult".
I have not re-homed any greyhounds yet, but our thanks goes to those involved. Currently I three terriers whom I have given a good home to. The oldest I got from the local pound back in April 1993 when she was about six months old. The other two terriers I got in 2005 when they were adult dogs aged about 4 years. Down the years we have re-homed about a dozen dogs from various bodies around here.
We are on our good terms with the various terrier and gun clubs, it would be odd if we were not. I think a reasonable question has been put to Gina. Thanks again to you all.
Mugs
Kathleen Murphy
Posts 256 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 15:56
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I truly think that there are re-homing groups that are pro racing .
The people who re-home their dogs with EGN, neuter them, vaccinate them and have everything organised before the transport. They even pay to have them transported to meet the van for the ITALY trip. They have on occassions paid to have dogs (unraced) that were not wanted by their owners kept until the next available transport
EGN take approximately 15 dogs per trip. IGB give 100 euro and EGN give 100 euro towards the transport. So for 15 dogs, transporter gets 3,000.00. Not a lot when you consider the costs involved for the transporter. These transports will be much more difficult ongoing due to the new EEC legislation. YOU MUST HAVE 1 PERSON PER 5 DOGS TRAVELLING TO THE CONTINENT. So if the transporter has 15 dogs, he will have to have 2 other people with him, and for 25 dogs, transporter will have to have 4 others with him. This is a major set back for all the transporters, as an ordinary van will only be able to take 2 people with himself/herself. Not to mention the cost of paying the extra people.
Sometimes I think that no matter what you would do for some people, they would still complain about funding etc.
There is a benefit meeting in Kilkenny this weekend for PAWS. I wish the organisers the best for that meeting. Once again, the RACING people are putting their hand deep into their pockets.
Eric Hughes United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 243 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 16:12
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Kathleen Murphy wrote:
I truly think that there are re-homing groups that are pro racing .
The people who re-home their dogs with EGN, neuter them, vaccinate them and have everything organised before the transport. They even pay to have them transported to meet the van for the ITALY trip. They have on occassions paid to have dogs (unraced) that were not wanted by their owners kept until the next available transport
EGN take approximately 15 dogs per trip. IGB give 100 euro and EGN give 100 euro towards the transport. So for 15 dogs, transporter gets 3,000.00. Not a lot when you consider the costs involved for the transporter. These transports will be much more difficult ongoing due to the new EEC legislation. YOU MUST HAVE 1 PERSON PER 5 DOGS TRAVELLING TO THE CONTINENT. So if the transporter has 15 dogs, he will have to have 2 other people with him, and for 25 dogs, transporter will have to have 4 others with him. This is a major set back for all the transporters, as an ordinary van will only be able to take 2 people with himself/herself. Not to mention the cost of paying the extra people.
Sometimes I think that no matter what you would do for some people, they would still complain about funding etc.
There is a benefit meeting in Kilkenny this weekend for PAWS. I wish the organisers the best for that meeting. Once again, the RACING people are putting their hand deep into their pockets.
After 9 pages on this subject and 7088 readers surely if there were small donations made that would help Gina and the great job she and her friends are doing to put them on their feet again. What happened to the collection boxes that were made and placed at the tracks? Eric Hughes
Kathleen Murphy
Posts 256 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 17:09
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I have made lots of donations for Retired greyhounds. And indeed helped towards the benefit meeting in Kilkenny at the weekend. I am NOT anti any re-homing group. Eric, The Irish Greyhound Board are in charge of those boxes.
Kathleen Murphy
Posts 256 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 17:10
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I also felt that the information about the new EEC regulation was important in this situation.
Just back from Pet Expo, was there for three days promoting greyhounds as pets.... Will catch up with this thread tomorrow. Apparently this gentleman was a guest of ours last night, CLICK HERE
Taken in as a stray from Urlingford, and reclaimed today (I am sure the owner was grateful). Apparently he killed a kitten before bolting. Wonder what spooked him ?
John, Pet, Just so you will stop trying to kidnap GACI's Thread. I don't give a fiddlers bollox about Greyhound Racing, But those that abandon and abuse are what kills it. Have you seen the dog that the DSPCA got in at the weekend ?? Since I have never met you or had any dealings with you I find your posts really really weird.
Easiest solution would be to MAKE ALL owners pay for the neutering, dental, kenneling etc etc of THEIR dog, this way there would be NO need for funding from any Racing Organisation, IT WOULD however result any many more dogs being PTS by owners that were unwilling to pay for their property.
John.. The people who have taken your dogs in Italy for to find them homes, are they PRO or ANTI Racing or are you not sure!
Dave, don't hold your breath waiting on an answer to that one.
Gabriel Brown Ireland (Team Member) Posts 3190 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 18:07
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Hi Gina now that you mention the Greyhound in the DSPCA pound I would like to highlight a few facts regarding this issue.
Gabriel Brown wrote:
A number of things with this story dont add up, I have watched both news reports on TV3 and RTE, its very clear that the bitch is in fact tattooed in both ears.
RTE http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1076094 copy and paste into browser
On the RTE player search the clip to 7min and 37sec, then go the the TV3 player search the clip to 0min and 32sec.
Point one; The TV3 clip look at the Right ear of the greyhound, then the RTE clip looks at the greyhounds Left ear.
Point two; TV3 clearly state the greyhound is a ten year old, this is untrue, looking at the right ear tattoo when you pause the clip at 32sec to me it clearly shows the ear mark as AS this indicates the year 2003 this leaves the greyhound being a seven year old not a ten year old.
Point three; TV3 also state the greyhound is only tattooed in one ear this again untrue. Go to the RTE clip and pause it at 7min and 32sec it shows this clip looking at the Left ear, that is clearly tattooed, I'm sure will be readable when the bitch is allowed to be inspected by those who currently have the Greyhound. I have learned from a reliable source that a control Stewart attend the pound last night and was refused consent to inspect the greyhound in question, why?
Why do these people tell untruths? Please dont take this as an attack on your good self because it's in no way intended.
All I know Gabriel is that someone from IGB tried to gain entry to the DSPCA after hours. They were told to come back Monday (today). But, the last case of abandonment, that came to PAWS last January, Barry Coleman from IGB told me that they have no authority to prosecute cruelty and to take it to the ISPCA. Conor Dowling from the ISPCA told me to take it to IGB. So basically nobody gives a toss. There will be no result from this DSPCA one either.
Gabriel Brown Ireland (Team Member) Posts 3190 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 19:15
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But why did the DSPCA tell untruths in national TV? Weather the Control Stewart called after hours is irrelevant IMO. On TV3 the inspector from the DSPCA said the greyhound was in very bad condition as well as he new born pups? I'm sure they the DSPCA did not leave such a greyhound unattended in the pound over night? Can I also ask why the control Stewart could not of called on Sunday correct me if im wrong but I do believe the pound opens on Sundays? Is it also true that a number of halting site are near by the pound in question?
For the record I will be making a formal complaint to the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland on this issue and ask others to do so as well, enough is enough.
I truly think that there are re-homing groups that are pro racing .
The people who re-home their dogs with EGN, neuter them, vaccinate them and have everything organised before the transport. They even pay to have them transported to meet the van for the ITALY trip. They have on occassions paid to have dogs (unraced) that were not wanted by their owners kept until the next available transport
EGN take approximately 15 dogs per trip. IGB give 100 euro and EGN give 100 euro towards the transport. So for 15 dogs, transporter gets 3,000.00. Not a lot when you consider the costs involved for the transporter. These transports will be much more difficult ongoing due to the new EEC legislation. YOU MUST HAVE 1 PERSON PER 5 DOGS TRAVELLING TO THE CONTINENT. So if the transporter has 15 dogs, he will have to have 2 other people with him, and for 25 dogs, transporter will have to have 4 others with him. This is a major set back for all the transporters, as an ordinary van will only be able to take 2 people with himself/herself. Not to mention the cost of paying the extra people.
Sometimes I think that no matter what you would do for some people, they would still complain about funding etc.
There is a benefit meeting in Kilkenny this weekend for PAWS. I wish the organisers the best for that meeting. Once again, the RACING people are putting their hand deep into their pockets.
Hi Kathleen Are you sure what are you talking about? You talk about things that maybe you do not know cause you are not in Italy and you dont have the clear picture of full situation... EGN ONLY can tell if they are PRO racing or not.
Talking about the transport cost I would like to point something:
- the transport for EGN is done by Dominic Magnone he carry in a TRAILER a max of 15 dogs with 2 people - the transport for GACI is done by Ben McBride with a max of 32 dogs in a VAN full equipped with 2 people
Dont you see the difference in the number of dogs shipped any time, in the transport it self more professional?
I dont think this topic is the right place for a self promotion
Any carrier is just doing his own job, Is not the carrier that brings adoptions. The BIG WORK is done by those who find nice home for these dogs and look after them before and after adoption for years and years.
Are the funding from IGB the same for all the rehoming group or are there someone that have a reserved lane ?
What does it mean to be pro or anti? we are all talking about IRISH Retired greyhound. this poor war we play is not going to their benefit, no matter they come from, they are greyhound.....retired greyhound!
But why did the DSPCA tell untruths in national TV? Weather the Control Stewart called after hours is irrelevant IMO. On TV3 the inspector from the DSPCA said the greyhound was in very bad condition as well as he new born pups? I'm sure they the DSPCA did not leave such a greyhound unattended in the pound over night? Can I also ask why the control Stewart could not of called on Sunday correct me if im wrong but I do believe the pound opens on Sundays? Is it also true that a number of halting site are near by the pound in question?
For the record I will be making a formal complaint to the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland on this issue and ask others to do so as well, enough is enough.
I really don't know much about the DSPCA Gabriel. Orla from there stopped off at our stand at Pet Expo and was talking about it. Halting site or not, a registered greyhound should not have been 'found'. The ones that have come here that were 'found' were all inspected by Michael Falvey and no fine or prosecution ever followed.I do however know that the DSPCA is not a 'pound' it is a shelter and I am sure there is somebody living on site, I also know that the management team were all at Pet Expo in the RDS for the weekend. They are not one of the shelters that get assistance from IGB, so they do have the pleasure of free speech. Any chance of getting back to the original topic ??
Kathleen Murphy
Posts 256 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Jul 2010 20:19
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Eliza, I am very confused by your post. I mean exactly as I say, IMO not all re-homing groups are anti racing, (please re-read my post) I DID NOT mention EGN or GACI or PAWS or Cottage Rescue were pro or anti racing. If you have a problem with me, then this is not the place to discuss it. Another thing, all I was trying to state about transport was that with the new legislation it was going to make it more expensive on everyone. This post was not self promoting. There is great work done by all the re-homing groups in Ireland, England, Czech Republic, Italy, France and Belgium. I would also like to point out that there are other inaccuaracies in your post, but I wont go into them here. Please do not include my personal life on this forum, especially when you are as wrong as could be. I am sorry that you mis-read my post. Kathleen
But why did the DSPCA tell untruths in national TV? Weather the Control Stewart called after hours is irrelevant IMO. On TV3 the inspector from the DSPCA said the greyhound was in very bad condition as well as he new born pups? I'm sure they the DSPCA did not leave such a greyhound unattended in the pound over night? Can I also ask why the control Stewart could not of called on Sunday correct me if im wrong but I do believe the pound opens on Sundays? Is it also true that a number of halting site are near by the pound in question?
For the record I will be making a formal complaint to the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland on this issue and ask others to do so as well, enough is enough.
Well its about time someone is taking the time to look into what the media are puplishing, only wish some on here would be more forthcoming when asked a question about there set ups.
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